How does one copy all data easily from one TIU/remote to another?

You need to clone the remote.  The process of doing this starts on page 149 of the 3rd edition.  The TIU doesn't get "copied" or "cloned".

MartyE posted:

You need to clone the remote.  The process of doing this starts on page 149 of the 3rd edition.

Ouch....I have the first edition.....

Ouch....I have the first edition.....

The 3rd edition has about 50% more information than does the 1st edition. Time to upgrade!  

Everything that you need to know about DCS is all in “The DCS Companion 3rd Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

JC642 posted:

MartyE posted:

You need to clone the remote.  The process of doing this starts on page 149 of the 3rd edition.

Ouch....I have the first edition.....

Look in the Table of Contents for "Backing up and Restoring" the remote.  Since I don't have the 1st edition I'm not sure what page, if it does, it appears on.  I would assume it's in there somewhere unless that option was unavailable when Barry put out the 1st edition.  I would also take Barry's advice to purchase the 3rd edition if you are going to 5.0 you are most likely going to use the WiFi feature at some point.  That is covered in the 3rd edition.

MartyE posted:

JC642 posted:

MartyE posted:

You need to clone the remote.  The process of doing this starts on page 149 of the 3rd edition.

Ouch....I have the first edition.....

Look in the Table of Contents for "Backing up and Restoring" the remote.  Since I don't have the 1st edition I'm not sure what page, if it does, it appears on.  I would assume it's in there somewhere unless that option was unavailable when Barry put out the 1st edition.  I would also take Barry's advice to purchase the 3rd edition if you are going to 5.0 you are most likely going to use the WiFi feature at some point.  That is covered in the 3rd edition.

Thanks Marty.   In this edition it begins on pg 130... I'm not fully understanding the process.  I think I first connect the original TIU/remote to the laptop as if I was upgrading it,  upload info to a file  and then switch remotes and download info  from the laptop to the second remote...   Sounds a bit complicated and yes I already have the WiFi.

Joe

Yes. You are basically creating a backup and restoring it to another remote. 

MartyE posted:

Yes. You are basically creating a backup and restoring it to another remote. 

Marty, is it possible to pair the second blank TIU with the original loaded remote and connect it to the laptop rather then disconnecting all the wires from the original TIU on the layout?  It would make it far easier and save me from a huge disconnecting PITA...

joe 

Yes.  I would make sure it's the same Version of software.  Not sure that's a requirement but why not make it the same.  Same goes with the remote you are cloning to.

You can clone any remote using any TIU as long as the remote and the TIU are at DCS 4.0 or higher.

You may be able to have the TIU and remote at different DCS versions (4.0 or higher), however, it is not recommended. There hasn't been any real study done of the affects of mixing DCS releases during the cloning process.

Barry Broskowitz posted:

You can clone any remote using any TIU as long as the remote and the TIU are at DCS 4.0 or higher.

You may be able to have the TIU and remote at different DCS versions (4.0 or higher), however, it is not recommended. There hasn't been any real study done of the affects of mixing DCS releases during the cloning process.

Thanks Marty & Barry. I guess I'm in luck, I upgraded both sets to 5.0 last month after I bought the MTH WiFi.    I will attempt to clone the second remote soon.    BTW, If you say the 3rd edition has substantial new DCS  updates for O gauge I will buy it.. If not, I will wait for your fourth edition later this year with even more updates..

joe

Joe,

If you say the 3rd edition has substantial new DCS  updates for O gauge I will buy it.

It most certainly does!  

As I stated above, the 3rd edition has a lot more information than the 1st edition. The page count went from 168 in the 1st edition to 242 in the 3rd edition. The 3rd edition also has a complete discussion of the DCS App in its present form, i.e., the "Standard" version, as well as an index.

There will not be a 4th edition of The DCS Companion, nor do I anticipate any further updates to that book. Rather, there will be a brand-new book that addresses the entire Premium version of the DCS App in great detail. While it will include some of the basic elements of the original book (DCS background and basics, troubleshooting, DCS upgrades and backup/restore), it will discuss DCS operation only from the point of view of the DCS App as opposed to the DCS Remote. It will be a separate-sale item and will stand on its own, however, it won't discuss using DCS with a DCS Remote. It will discuss using the DCS App, instead.

The planned but not yet scheduled release date for the new book is shortly after the release of the Premium version of the DCS App.

Stay tuned...  

Hi Joe

Click this link to learn more: 

https://ogrforum.com/t...e-mth-dcs-controller

This link is from Barry. Also use the YouTube search engine to learn more about this issue.

The best place for free information: MTH Help desk, 1-410-3812580 and their on line free help desk. http://mthtrains.com/service

Hope this helps: Gary

trainroomgary posted:

The best place for free information: MTH Help desk, 1-410-3812580 and their on line free help desk. http://mthtrains.com/service

Actually I think you're at the best place for free information and hands on information.  Unless Barry or the other regular DCS folks are answering those phones too.

Several members bring remotes to the DCS users  meeting at York to have them cloned.  I save the copied remote to my computer and after downloading it to the new remote, I copy it to whatever the customer brings with him for storage and he can put it on his home computer.

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Several members bring remotes to the DCS users  meeting at York to have them cloned.  I save the copied remote to my computer and after downloading it to the new remote, I copy it to whatever the customer brings with him for storage and he can put it on his home computer.

Hi Marty: I would like to add a second MTH-DCS Remote to my layout. I have updated to 5.0 several years ago and all is working great. I do not want to clone the remote. I would like to have to second remote set up in a deferent order for the locos.

Can this been done?

Gary

Gary,

Can this been done?

If I understand your request correctly, the short answer is "no".

When a DCS engine has a different DCS ID# in multiple remotes, it will only work when used with a remote that has the DCS ID# the engine was assigned when it was last added. The engine can only save to its memory the last DCS ID# that it was assigned.

However, you can do what you're describing with TMCC or Legacy engines that have been added to multiple DCS Remotes, or to DCS lashups, since these don't actually save their DCS ID#'s to their own memory. These DCS ID#'s reside only in each DCS Remote.

All of the above is discussed in The DCS Companion 3rd Edition.

This and a whole lot more is all in “The DCS Companion 3rd Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

I have two TIU's operating in super mode and using two remotes, each with 5.0 software. I did not clone the two remotes but the engine number assignments are the same...I put each one in the remote manually. I can run four engines at once on each of four mainline tracks. One issue is that I can access an individual engine from either remote. (I found this out when a friend who operates an HO layout with DCC  grabbed a second remote while I was running with the first remote.) He took control of the engine I was running and as soon as he moved the wheel from zero speed, the engine that I was running came to a screeching 1 mph from track speed.

His question to me was, when two people are using two different remotes, why doesn't the DCS system "deny access" to an engine using that second remote, as DCC does? Am I doing something wrong, or doesn't DCS have this protective feature? (The layout is a two rail with two separate DC power supplies....don't know if that is important to this question/discussion.) It seems to me that this would be important to a club or any one that has multiple users on a single layout, and might be even more important for the cell phone app.

Hudson, the short answer to your question is that some of us use multiple remotes regularly on our layout.  When the grandchildren are here, we can have 4 using remotes and me using the app, all running trains and occasionally switching them off to each other.

when two people are using two different remotes, why doesn't the DCS system "deny access" to an engine using that second remote, as DCC does? Am I doing something wrong, or doesn't DCS have this protective feature?

No, DCS doesn't have this "feature". Neither does TMCC or Legacy.

Rather, DCS (as well as TMCC and Legacy) allows one to monitor a child's or visitor's operation of an engine and override that operation in the event of an impending disaster. I can personally attest to having occasional need of this "feature"!  

Thanks...not a problem for me and just wanted to understand it.