How to select the correct semi tubular rivet clinching tool

Hi George,

Lionel sold 5 different sizes of rivet setting tools. Each one is rated for a particular size rivet. I just picked out the tool closest to the rivet size I am setting. When picking out a rivet, I use a magnet. Those rivets the magnet does not pick up are brass. They will form much better than the steel rivets. Many of the setting tools are not Lionel. The Lionel tools are the correct shape and are machined very smooth. They will work better than the after market tools.

I use the reproduction riveting tools, and the Hobby Horse made arbor press, which really is no different than your set up George. I think it’s the quality of the rivets themselves, rather than your technique. I’ve split many rebuilding old Lionel stuff. One trick I’ve done over the years with good success on something important that matters, is to lubricate the tooling for the smash. This has helped. I just use a dab of grease and a small paint brush. I find the grease is easier to clean up when I’m done. See what works for you, ….there are actual specialized lubricants for press work. When my dad had his shop, and his original Lionel tool set, he’d keep a bar of Ivory soap near the press, as he swore that made a difference…….

Pat

I have the HF press similar to what George has and some mystery riveting tools.  I bought the whole thing from a guy selling a bunch of tools.  Truthfully, for the smaller rivets like couplers, etc., I use the Brakeman's Riveter.  I find it easier to set the small rivets with that tool than with the press, at least for me.  The press is great for stuff like pressing gears, flywheels, etc.

These are the five size rivets that Lionel sold setting tools for.

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@David Johnston, what do the sizes represent, shank diameter of the rivets to be used with each tool, or the diameter of the pointy little head of each tool? Or...?

@gunrunnerjohn, " I find it easier to set the small rivets with that tool than with the press, at least for me." Totally agree, especially after bending almost every single coupler knuckle rivet I tried! Haven't tried that again in years!

@harmonyards, And Pat, thanks for the tip on "light greasing of the rivet and tool" prior to clinching. I will try that on my next "larger than a coupler knuckle" rivet job.

And finally, back to my original question, is there a published guideline that says e.g. that if you are trying to clinch a 1/8" diameter rivet you should use a 0.125" tool? I know that seems like a pretty basic question, but I have never seen it answered anywhere

George

@GeoPeg posted:

And finally, back to my original question, is there a published guideline that says e.g. that if you are trying to clinch a 1/8" diameter rivet you should use a 0.125" tool? I know that seems like a pretty basic question, but I have never seen it answered anywhere

If you ever find one, I'd like to see that as well.

Then sizes marked on the block are the size of rivet they are to be used with.