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I  am planning a trip in August. I'm taking my daughter & grandson with me. The Lakeshore Ltd(2 roomettes) from Boston to Chicago, then the Southwest Chief (bedroom)  to Flagstaff, AZ, rent a car & drive to Las Vegas, take the 12 hour bus trip to Hoover Dam, then on to the west rim of the canyon. Back LVegas, Then drive to Zion National Park, then drive to LA to visit my best friend, then the SW Chief(bedroom) from LA  back to Chicago, & then the LShore Ltd(2 roomettes) back to Boston. The cost of the train all 1st class meals included $5,074.40.  I am looking for comments about what I am planning, good & bad. Thanks

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Not sure what car rental availability is at Flagstaff station, you'll need to check that if you haven't already... It also appears to be a one way rental, try to get unlimited mileage if you can. I have found some one-way quotes look good until you realize there is a per-mile charge. If you are a Costco member, the car rental rates via Costco Travel are usually good.

From Flagstaff you can visit the South Rim of the Grand Canyon. You can also get there via the Grand Canyon Railway from Williams, if you have all day for the round trip. 

From Las Vegas, it is an easy drive to Hoover Dam and doesn't require a 12 hour bus trip. On the way, you can stop in Boulder City and visit the Nevada Southern railway/museum.  

Have a good trip!

I never did Flagstaff, it was always Las Vegas, worked best for air fare.  Two ways back to the Canyon from Vegas. North route on I15  will take you to Zion NP and Bryce Canyon NP, we have done an over night, a couple  of times, at Bryce, Ruby's Lodge.   Other route would be I 40 to the South rim through Kingman AZ.  This route most likely would also access the Hoover Dam and the O'Callahan/Tillman bridge. We have done an over night in this area a couple of times.  Hacienda Hotel and Casino.  There is a north shore tenting/camping area on lake Meade.  Boulder City Nevada is the town that housed most of the workers on the Dam project.  Still an interesting town, several placed to eat.   

Back to the north route.  From Bryce you can access the north rim of the Grand Canyon.  There are several bookings, in addition to the National Park Service at the Canyon, just outside the park.  

The trip from the North Rim to the South Rim is a 5 hour drive through the Painted desert.  Bookings at the South Rim are similar, only a lot more.  Check the National Park Service, Grand Canyon, for links on the bookings.

South rim does have train access from Williams. (Grand Canyon Railroad). Steam has been gone for several years. 

Slideshow of a 2014 Canyon hike. We flew into Vegas.  Trail life USA scout group 452.  South Rim accessed, and after the cross canyon hike, North Rim to Bryce and Zion, back to Vegas.

Slideshow of a 2011 Canyon hike. My son and daughter-in-law.  North Rim access, cross canyon hike.  We used a private shuttle service back to our rental car, at the north rim. Early October can be cold on the north rim.

Hoover Dam tunnel walk, the main access for all equipment and concrete hauled to the construction site.

Have fun on your trip to the great southwest.  Note that desert heat is a factor, best months for activity are late September early October, before snow. IMO. 

 

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I would skip the trip to Vegas and just ride or drive up to the south rim via Williams. Then exit the Canyon on the east side and run up 89 to UT 9 and Zion then I-15 to NV 169 down to the dam. Then on to Kingman and either I-40 or old RT 66 (looks much today as it did 50 years ago minus most of the businesses) back to Flagstaff. It pretty much follows the BNSF former Santa Fe line. You will be seeing nearly non stop trains along 66.

Pete

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Eddie,

Personally, I like your plan as it minimizes your personal driving time so everybody has more time to enjoy the vacation.  My suggestions:

1.Think about spending the night in Chicago between the Amtrak legs just to minimize the connection worries.

2. Be sure to spend a restful night in Flagstaff.  Everybody will appreciate a quiet room and soft bed after several days of train travel.  Pick up your rental car the next day.

3. Arrange the travel to Vegas so that you can also see the south rim of the Canyon along the way.  That is magnificent and includes the walk-out arch over the Canyon.  I'm not sure what the west rim view is like?

4. Plan to buy water with electrolytes because you will sweat a lot this time of year and don't want issues with potassium and sodium levels in your body.

5. This last item is purely personal choice.  I would skip the bus tour (cost?) and drive to the dam (I think it was about 1.5 to 2 hours) and then drive on to Bryce Canyon in Utah and stay there the night or two.  After all, you've already seen the Grand Canyon above.  Then, head to LA from there.

Above all, enjoy the trip with your family.

Chuck

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Some good suggestions here.  I would second the thought of spending a night in Chicago.  My brother and his family took the Lake Short Limited / Southwest Chief Trip and would have missed their connection otherwise.  Not Amtrak's fault as NS traffic along Lake Eire is very congested and they don't dispatch Amtrak well at all.

Spending the night in Flagstaff based on arrival time is usually a good idea as well.  Given a choice, I'd look for a hotel just north of the interchange with I 17 and I 40.  There is decent Drury there.  The only reason I suggest this is that BNSF runs all night and it can keep you up if you aren't used to it.  Even without the horn, the westbound trains are pulling upgrade and they roar.

I'm not a big Vegas fan as I don't gamble and the entertainment doesn't interest me.  If you haven't been there or enjoy the activities, you might find it interesting. 

All the natural sights you are seeing are amazing.  All worth the drive time.  A small note on the north vs. south rim of the GC.  The south rim is considered the more photographic side as you see all the formations coming off the north rim.  The view from the north rim is of a almost solid rock surface in a few levels based on the geology. 

My experience with the GC Railway is that the train ride is interesting one way.  A train one way and bus the other makes sense.  Another more interesting scenic train is the Verde Valley Railway about an hour south of Flagstaff.  It runs next to the Verde River in a canyon that has Native American ruins, wildlife and is just relaxing.  

Enjoy your trip!

 

I assume the 12-hr bus trip is the one that includes Hoover Dam and the West Rim. The reason it takes 12 hours is it picks up and drops off at several hotels and stays at the Skywalk for 3.5-4 hrs.

I just did a quick check with Enterprise in Flagstaff and their drop-off fee to leave the car in Las Vegas in August appears to be $93+, so a 1-day rental costs around $150 with unlimited mileage. Of course, extra days would just be the normal fee. Unfortunately, the only viable Greyhound bus departure time appears to be around 2:30 pm and the arrival time is around 8:00 pm. Ticket prices might be as much or more than the drop-off fee, so renting the car in Flagstaff is probably a good decision. I believe Enterprise will pick you up too because I don't think there are any rental agencies at the depot itself.

I don't know how much time you have, but I also recommend considering Bryce Canyon in addition to Zion since you'll be that close. We are going to Zion (staying 2 nights in Hurricane) and then Bryce Canyon (staying 1 night at Ruby's) later this month. (NOTE: We've been to Bryce before, but want to see it in winter and realize the road won't be open past the lodge.)

And as Mike said, the North Rim is in the vicinity too, but then so is Capital Reef, Arches, Canyonlands, Monument Valley, and so on.

And be sure the check out the Fremont Street Experience in Las Vegas. I don't know how old your grandson is, but they also have 2 new zip lines that I'm anxious to check out one of these days. New York New York has a fairly decent rollercoaster. For my money, the Rio has the best "free" show and the water show at the Bellagio is nice and I would think your grandson would enjoy the pirate show outside Treasure Island. Rooms in Las Vegas have gotten quite expensive (compared to what they were) with all the resort fees they charge now and the buffets aren't that cheap anymore either, though the variety is still great.

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I will second Jonathan's suggestion to ride the Verde Canyon Railway out of Clarkdale, AZ. 
Very scenic and interesting ride behind two former Alaska RR FP7's; you'll want your best camera for this ride.  Excellent service in "first class" too; I rode it two years ago and enjoyed it very much.  I understand it is now possible to purchase a cab ride in addition to their various classes of service. 

Last year we took the lakeshore to Chicago arriving at 9:30 AM and then boarded the California Zephyr to SF at around 12 noon. Didn't have to stay overnight in Chicago. The reason the bus trip from las Vegas is 12 hours, is because after the Dam it goes to the w rim of the canyon and we want to take the skywalk.  And yes we get to Flagstaff at 9:30pm(if it is on time) we plan to stay overnight at a double tree  very near the station. Also Enterprise is very close to the hotel. Also we are not gamblers. We are just staying over night to catch the bus. The bus is 100.00 per person. I hope that answers some of the replies. Any more help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. As I read your replies I keep adding to this thread. We are renting the car for a week and dropping it off in LA. My grandson is 19. He goes back to college on the 28th of August. Dave, how much are the hotels rooms in Vegas? Last year we paid $325. a night at a Holiday inn on Fisherman's wharf in SF. I have a thread on here about our trip to SF renting a car & driving it to LA on the pacific coast highway.

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Your trip sounds amazing and lots of good suggestions so far.   The train part sounds perfect.  

I'm a fan of Las Vegas and think it's a fun destination.   You don't have to gamble, there are plenty of options for food, shows, attractions, and scenery without the risk or winning or losing your money.  

I also think you would do better getting a rental car to see Hoover Dam, and then drive North to Mesquite and Bryce/Zion Canyons.   Having a car allows you time to stop and see sights, take pictures, and go at your pace.  Cedar Breaks is in the area too and usually has snow at higher elevations.  

Hope you will take LOTS of pictures.

 

http://www.grandcanyonwest.com/skywalk.html

I suggest you call the toll-free number in the link and discuss things directly with them. The Skywalk is not run by the park service. There used to be a lot of restrictions and you had to get a guide to take you out there, but I think you can drive your vehicle all the way now. You still can't take a camera, etc., out on the glass.

Here's another link with more information.
https://grandcanyon.com/catego...nning/west-planning/

Someone recently mentioned problems visiting Hoover Dam, so here's a link with some information about the dam. The biggest problem is the parking structure fills up. I don't know if you can still park on the Arizona side and walk to the Visitor's Center, but you can no longer drive across the dam.
https://www.hooverdamtourcompany.com/drive.html.

It's about a 45 minute drive to the dam, then 1:45 to the Skywalk and 2:15 back to Las Vegas, so you're looking at a 4:45 roundtrip and that depends on traffic. If you take the dam tour, that's another hour plus wait time for your tour to start, so you're looking at 6 hours plus whatever time you spend at Canyon West. And that's assuming you can get parking at the dam right away. I imagine they restrict the number of people on the glass at Skywalk, so there could be a wait there too and I believe your ticket includes lunch. I assume that's why the tour allocates 3.5-4 hours for everyone to get their lunch and time on the glass. You can ask a lot of these questions if you decide to call them.

"west" rim does not compute...I have always heard it north or south, south being Flagstaff. I was there when the steam train, with diesel helper, ran but did not ride..Sorry now . Others and I recommend Bryce. The "hoodoos" are great from above winter and summer, and they had an all-day horse ride down among them l recommend if you don't get too saddle-sore.  It is guided.  There was a Scenic Airlines, think name changed, flight out of Vegas over the Canyon, and around that area including over a giant arch hard to get to, and to Monument Valley where the Navajos run escorted Jeep tours around the Valley.  Jerome, Ariz., A copper ghost town close to the Verde, has an interesting RR station. To answer your question above, Scenic or whatever airlines flew me from Vegas to the south rim.

eddie g posted:

I have been on the internet reading peoples reports on the GC. It seems that the south rim is a lot better than the west rim, that the west rim is a tourist trap, true or false. Thanks again.

Eddie, It sounds like you have never visited the Grand Canyon. If so I would suggest going to the South Rim which as stated above is part of the National Park system. If you don't have one already get a Park Service Senior Pass. For a one time fee of $10 you can visit all of the US National Parks for free for the rest of your life. If you are in a car you can bring 3 others with you for no charge as well. You can get this pass at any National Park entrance including Grand Canyon and Zion. You can also get them at the ranger station in Williams just a few blocks from the Grand Canyon Railroad. If you live close to Acadia you can get a pass there as well.

Pete

If you are in AZ, by all means, spend some time if you can in Flagstaff. Been there many times. Great old Southwestern town. Some of the best train watching in the world on the BNSF mainline. Must be 100 or more freight trains per day that pass through, plus a couple of AMTRAK trains. Stay at the hotel Monte Vista. Grand old hotel frequented by legendary movie stars. Supposed to be haunted, but no worries. Just a couple of the blocks from the tracks.

Macy's is great for breakfast - no relationship to  the department store. Desert Mountain Oasis is the best for lunch. BRIX and Cottage Place are great for dinner and there are three local breweries with decent food adjacent to the tracks. There are also some terrific local stores and many hiking trails in the area as well.

The Verde Canyon Railroad and the Grand Canyon Railroad are also terrific AZ attractions for train lovers. Have ridden both. 

Sounds like a heck of a trip Eddie!

It's been 18 years (golly, how time flies!) since we took Amtrak cross-country including a layover at Flagstaff to see the Grand Canyon.  Trouble with those long-distance trains is they usually start off on time and arrive on time but in between (like Flagstaff) can be way off schedule.  I think we were supposed to get in at 8PM and it turned out to be more like 2AM.  We worried about getting a cab to the hotel at that hour but that turned out fine. 

But the next morning was a bit frantic since our cab scheduled to pick us up at 8AM was nowhere to be seen.  They seemed to have lost our request.    But we did catch a ride back to the station in time to get the tour bus, whew!  I think we slept half the way to the canyon, we were all so tired. 

Two things I vividly recall about the Grand Canyon.  One, upon arrival I thought it was a nice collection of rocks but fairly boring actually.  It was the interplay of sun and clouds throughout the day that really made it so spectacular.  And second, I was still smoking at the time and the area is relatively high elevation with "thin air".  At one point I tried jogging to catch up with our shuttle and almost collapsed. 

I've got some other tales but this is enough for now.  I'm sure you will have a blast! 

If you are physically able, take a hike part way down the Bright Angel trail at the south rim.  The grade is not steep and they have added a comfort station along the trail. Be sure to carry water and  something for energy especially if you are not used to high altitudes.  A few years ago I hiked to the Phantom Ranch at the bottom via the South Kaibab trail and back out via the Bright Angel.  The views are spectacular, even just part way down.   

If are interested in a great dinner with a good glass of wine, the restaurant at El Tovar is top notch.  Living Large!

Enjoy. Enjoy.

   

eddie g posted:

I have been on the internet reading peoples reports on the GC. It seems that the south rim is a lot better than the west rim, that the west rim is a tourist trap, true or false. Thanks again.

Absolutely and I don't think they give refunds past 72 hours, not even for rain, though I think your tickets are still good until Dec 31, not that it would do you much good. It's an expensive proposition just to stand on glass overlooking the canyon. You can't even take your own photo, you have to buy theirs. And AFAIK, the views are nothing like you'd see at the South Rim.

However, the Grand Canyon in August might not be a picnic either, it gets very busy. The last time we were there during the summer, we couldn't even get on the shuttle because it was hot and no one was getting off until the last stop before the return. Had we known, we would have taken some water and walked it. We did walk it, but we had to rest quite a bit with no water. But, we drove up from Phoenix just for the day, so we got there when it was already crowded. never again.

The South Rim in a little over an hour from Flagstaff and then 4 hours to Las Vegas. We generally go from Flagstaff for the day and then back to Flagstaff that way we get there before a lot of the crowds. One of these days we want to stay at the canyon to catch sunset and sunrise.  I don't know what the West Canyon offers for lookouts other than the glass. The South Rim has a lot of lookouts. The North Rim has fewer, but you are closer to some of the formations. Both are worth visiting. When we spend the night, it's going to be at the North Rim because it's less crowded.

As far as room costs in Las Vegas, I was commenting because a room at Circus Circus that used to be $30 is now $90 with the resort fee and taxes. To be sure, they won't cost you $325 unless you want that kind of room and motels can be more expensive than casinos, so shop around, just make sure when you check prices you make sure they include the resort fees for the casinos. Many sites will quote the price without the fee and add a note that the fee will be collected upon check-in. When I was looking a couple of weeks ago, CC was $44, the fee was $26 and taxes brought it to $90. However, if I had made a reservation, all they would have charged was the $44 plus taxes to hold the room, presumably because the fee could change.

If you're just going to Las Vegas to catch the tour bus to West Canyon, I think that's a mistake, but then I don't know how much time you have or what your goal is. I assume you're over 60, so you qualify for the $10 lifetime senior pass to all national parks, if you don't already have one. If it were my trip and I had the time:

Day 1 - spend the night in Flagstaff.
Day 2 - get the car and drive to the South Rim (1:30). Spend the day at the canyon and spend that night in GC Village or Tusayan.
Day 3 - drive to Page (2:30) to see the Glenn Canyon Dam, then on to Ruby's Inn (2:30) at Bryce Canyon.
Day 4 - visit Bryce, then on to Hurricane (2:00) (or another town near Zion).
Day 5 - visit Zion, then on to Las Vegas (2:00), walk the Strip to see some of the free outdoor shows.
Day 6 - drive to Hoover Dam (:45), then on to Los Angeles (4:30).
Day 7+ - visit friend, turn in car and catch train home.
Note 1: If you're early risers, you could go from GC to Ruby's Inn and see Bryce Canyon the same day.
Note 2: When I checked Enterprise I mistakenly had the car being returned in Las Vegas, not LA, so the drop-off fee might be different. Something's wrong with the site, so I can't check right now.

Eddie, 

I would concur that the West Rim is disappointing compared to the South and North Rims... I have been to the South Rim 3 times and the North Rim once 2 years ago.  In the summer tourist season, the North Rim is definitely less crowded, cooler and more enjoyable in my opinion...

It's too bad they built the Skywalk so far away from the South Rim,  it's quite a long drive off the main hwy to get in and get out of there, so my kids and skipped it....    Hoover Dam, Zion, Bryce and the North and South Rims are definitely outstanding...   Haven't talked to you in quite a while, feel free to give me a call, I still live south of Boston.    Chris a

Never heard of the West Rim but reading about it online sounds like a fairly recent setup to capture tourist dollars *.  I would suggest going to the South Rim from Flagstaff, either by tour bus like we did, the Williams train, or rental car. 

 

* entrance fee, parking fee, skywalk fee, photo fee, tour fees, lodging, dining, taxes, etc.

 

 

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I have found Tripadvisor very helpful for travel planning.   When my wife and I traveled in Europe I kept contact with a few people who aided our route selections as we moved through France and Switzerland. Some very helpful folks there.

I'm hoping for a trip to the Grand Canyon next year.  Good luck...

The Grand Canyon National Park has entrances and visitor centers on the South Rim & the North Rim. The "Grand Canyon West," a.k.a. "the West Rim" is part of the Hualapai Tribe's reservation and not a part of the National Park. More info here & here.

The South Rim is by far the more popular and more developed  The North Rim is about 2,000' higher in elevation, this means that, among other things, it usually has cooler temperatures. If you're planning on visiting Bryce Canyon & Zion national parks, then the North Rim is much more convenient. However, if you are looking for more alternatives and options, the South Rim has more. I have been to both and like the North Rim better, but I would recommend the South Rim to most first time visitors. That said, if visiting the North Rim means that you would also be able to visit Zion & Bryce, whereas visiting the South Rim would rule it out, then do the North Rim. (When I visited the North Rim, we camped in the Kaibab National Forest, just north of the National Park, and did day trips to the North Rim, Zion, & Bryce. The campground was minimalist, but was well situated.)

If you go to the South Rim, I strongly encourage taking the trip from the Village to Hermit's Rest. There is a flat trail, right on the rim, for the entire 7 miles. However, here's the great part: there is also a free bus that parallels the route and makes frequent stops. So you can ride the bus out the entire way, stopping and getting off at various points, or you can walk some of the segments between bus stops. If you're up for it, walk the seven miles out and take the bus back. The buses come at very frequent intervals—there's one every 10-15 minutes. If you walk even one or two of the segments between bus stops your experience of the Grand Canyon will be completely different from the vast majority of the people who visit the park. It is a completely level and well graded trail that anyone can easily walk on, but ideally you should bring a bottle of water, and wear shoes that are comfortable to walk in. As soon as you step away from the main viewpoints, you will be away from the crowds and there won't be any railings, but at no point is it scary. (That said there is nothing stopping you from running and jumping off the edge. In fact, the California Condors feed off those who do. No, I'm not joking.)

The trail is mostly like this:
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But nothing is stopping you from walking out to the edge:

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As others have mentioned Hoover Dam IS NOT 12 hours from Las Vegas. If you are visiting Las Vegas for a couple of days and have a car, consider visiting Death Valley National Park. It is a full day trip there and back from Las Vegas, and in the opposite direction of the Grand Canyon/Zion/Bryce, but having been to most of the great national parks outside of Alaska, I think that Death Valley is well worth the visit.

N.B. If you visit any national park, the best thing that you can do is to take the time to "hike" a trail, even if it is under a one-mile round trip. (I would assume that the A.D.A. stipulates that all national parks must have at least one wheelchair accessible trail.) Once on the trail, you will immediately be away from the crowds and you will be treated to a magical part of the park that the majority of visitors never see.

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It's interesting to note that the average stay at any of the national parks is 2 hours, 15 minutes. Kind of a drive-by.  Spend some time enjoy the experience.   GC train arrives from Williams around noon.   Recent photo, I have to go way back in the pictures to find the Alco FPA's

2006 photo's, Much has changed, related to the train(s), under Xanterra management.  

The last of big steam at Williams.  2011 photo.

2008 photo at Williams.

 

 

 

 

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Matt_GNo27 posted:

The Grand Canyon National Park has entrances and visitor centers on the South Rim & the North Rim. The "Grand Canyon West," a.k.a. "the West Rim" is part of the Hualapai Tribe's reservation and not a part of the National Park. More info here & here.

The South Rim is by far the more popular and more developed  The North Rim is about 2,000' higher in elevation, this means that, among other things, it usually has cooler temperatures. If you're planning on visiting Bryce Canyon & Zion national parks, then the North Rim is much more convenient. However, if you are looking for more alternatives and options, the South Rim has more. I have been to both and like the North Rim better, but I would recommend the South Rim to most first time visitors. That said, if visiting the North Rim means that you would also be able to visit Zion & Bryce, whereas visiting the South Rim would rule it out, then do the North Rim. (When I visited the North Rim, we camped in the Kaibab National Forest, just north of the National Park, and did day trips to the North Rim, Zion, & Bryce. The campground was minimalist, but was well situated.)

If you go to the South Rim, I strongly encourage taking the trip from the Village to Hermit's Rest. There is a flat trail, right on the rim, for the entire 7 miles. However, here's the great part: there is also a free bus that parallels the route and makes frequent stops. So you can ride the bus out the entire way, stopping and getting off at various points, or you can walk some of the segments between bus stops. If you're up for it, walk the seven miles out and take the bus back. The buses come at very frequent intervals—there's one every 10-15 minutes. If you walk even one or two of the segments between bus stops your experience of the Grand Canyon will be completely different from the vast majority of the people who visit the park. It is a completely level and well graded trail that anyone can easily walk on, but ideally you should bring a bottle of water, and wear shoes that are comfortable to walk in. As soon as you step away from the main viewpoints, you will be away from the crowds and there won't be any railings, but at no point is it scary. (That said there is nothing stopping you from running and jumping off the edge. In fact, the California Condors feed off those who do. No, I'm not joking.)

The trail is mostly like this:
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But nothing is stopping you from walking out to the edge:

iPhone Photos Batch #4 199

As others have mentioned Hoover Dam IS NOT 12 hours from Las Vegas. If you are visiting Las Vegas for a couple of days and have a car, consider visiting Death Valley National Park. It is a full day trip there and back from Las Vegas, and in the opposite direction of the Grand Canyon/Zion/Bryce, but having been to most of the great national parks outside of Alaska, I think that Death Valley is well worth the visit.

N.B. If you visit any national park, the best thing that you can do is to take the time to "hike" a trail, even if it is under a one-mile round trip. (I would assume that the A.D.A. stipulates that all national parks must have at least one wheelchair accessible trail.) Once on the trail, you will immediately be away from the crowds and you will be treated to a magical part of the park that the majority of visitors never see.

There is discussion, and you can buy a book of all the documented deaths in the Canyon.  Suicide, by Canyon, is relatively common, IMO. There is a horn/siren that goes off for such an event.  In the (8) trips, I heard it once. 

If you make it to the bottom there are two bridges.  The trek requires overnight permitting, associated with the National Park. 

Black bridge, South Kiabab trail,  dates to the original national park.

Silver bridge associated with the water system that supplies water to the south rim, Bright Angel Trail, near Phantom Ranch.  You're walking on top of the pipe line.

 

Swimming is prohibited in the Colorado River.   Park Service has a very good rescue team.  Peak months as many as three rescues a day, on average.

On a rescue, note the red rope, bottom of helicopter, while we were at Bright Angel Camp ground.  Story is the trip out by helicopter is at least $8,000.  

 

 

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Hi Eddie.

My family and I had a great time at the Grand Canyon.  Just a few tips.  Check to see if it's monsoon weather time as it can be dangerous.  The first time we went it was late summer and the clear blue skies turned dark and it poured buckets of rain.  The roads were flooded and thank God we drove a Chevy Tahoe with it's high clearance.  Huge lightning show.  Then immediately after golf ball size hail came down and banged on the Tahoe.  We followed a semi into town in its tracks as about a foot of hail was on the ground.  Then the sun popped out and the weather was peaceful. 

North rim is way different from the South.  You drive thru a forest.  Both north and south are beautiful but different.  The only thing they share is the canyon. 

Driving the east side of the rim you'll drive thru the Navajo reservation.  It's a nice trip and you can buy some genuine souvenirs not made out of the country.  

Also, buy a pass so you can venture to any of the parks in the country.  There's many around there.   

Besides that there are other nice places around as mentioned before.  There's was also a plane museum, observatory, petrified forest, Sedona, and the Four Corner Monument. I believe Flagstaff is about 50 miles from the canyon.  Also watch out driving as the speed limit is 75 on hwy 40.  The big rigs will pass you like you're standing still.

Good luck and have fun.  Take your time and smell the roses. 

Another part of God's country.

I was just there in January with my wife and a couple we’re friends with. We flew into Vegas, endured that for a day, drove to Williams, stayed at the hotel, rode the business car on train and spent the day at “The Ditch,” which I’ve seen before (the last time was in 2007, we rode steam both ways on the GCRy and stayed at a corner balcony room at the El Tovar). Then, another night in Williams, then drove as much of Route 66 as we could all the way down to I-5. It was a blast, made better for not roasting as we did the last time we were there.

I uploaded a few photos of that and some shots from the San Diego area afterward, here

I see your from cool country so a heads up it gets hot in AZ even at the Grand canyon.

Also wear laced shoes as your feet will swell thus you can ease off the shoe strings to compensate.

What the real difference at the North rim is the wild life.

If possible stay at Jacobs Lake it's 45 miles from North rim Grand canyon entrance and the food is good and prices are fair unlike within the north rim area.

If your early risers the payoff is the deer seen in the meadows as you drive to the north rim entrance.

North rim itself is very plain in color but gives a different feel from the south rims bold reds and browns.

The Verde valley train ride in August be prepared for heat from h... I would check to see if they now have coaches air conditioned you might see wild havelena but most times we have seen the eagles flying overhead.

The lodging you indicated using near the train station if your used to a quiet suburb I strongly advise you to look more to the southern end of Flagstaff near where I-17 ends entering Flagstaff.

As suggested the Williams train ride and bus back best option as riding train both ways seems to take forever on return trip.

Lastly bring light colored clothing and a long sleeved shirt for the odd cool morning.

If you want to catch amtrak morning train it's an early bird if on time I think years ago was around 6-7am arrival.

As a heads up Arizona is not on Daylight savings time so adjust your time accordingly once you arrive.

If you go to Zion park and possibly spend the night near the camp grounds I think a easterly direction resides the nicest running stream just right to sit and cool off.

Lastly the grand canyon itself caution to standing up on high rocks or close to ledge my wife and I witnessed a 300 lb adult almost get blown off a high Rock ledge luckily his friend was able to grab and hurl him down onto the rock saving his life. I cannot express this enough on windy days don't do it crawl or lay down flat and look over the edge for that fantastic photo!

Lastly enjoy the Amtrak experience if are like my wife and I the train will lull you to sleep with its slight rocking motion and the clickety clack from wheels and rails. 

If early morning 5-6 am you smell coffee the dinner car is serving breakfast already ask your car attendant of time it opens and if same time zone from where you started from!

the food is first rate and if they still have turtle pie Mmmmm trust me it's good!

 

 

 

I was used to driving the south rim and was not thrilled to find walk or bus in place there my last trip, But the walk revealed a Cold War uranium mine under the rim. I have mentioned flying on a scenic flight over the Canyon...l think those were ended since, but l have forgotten if due to ecology or an air accident.  I made two of those at different times, out of Vegas, one in the winter to Canyon, Bryce, and Monument Valley. Another one day trip l did was a raft trip on the Colorado. Wanted to do the week long one, but don't know if they still do them. If you want to walk out on a glass floor over a gorge, do the one at House on the Rock in Wisconsin, easier to get to. Hard to believe people drive way out there to jump. Messy. I could believe a sunrise wedding on the rim 

 

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