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About a month back folks here put me onto te the Coalition for Sustainable Rail - a non-profit dedicated to buying ATSF Hudson 3463, restoring/upgrading it to run on renewable fuel, and using it to break the steam land-speed record as a way of highlighting what modern steam can do with regard to eco-friendly and economical railroading.  I'm not certain how viable their idea (low-carbon footprint steam in the 21st century) but I joined anyway with a good size monthly contribution I will renew each year.  

 

I just got their welcome packet in the mail along with their newsletter, which is interesting but about what you would expect from a non-profit like this.  However, it highlightedtheir white paper program (their website, under News and Info, top selection), and i took a second look at it.  Very nice!  Anyone, even someone who has not contributed the minimum $34.63, can download some really meaty stuff on steam locomotive history and design.  Among the more interesting items, they have a booklet on Chapelon that, while not nearly as comprehensive as his own book, La Locomotive A Vapeur, is about $400 cheaper to get, given its free, and has a good deal of Capelon's meat on valve timing" for steam locos, etc., in it.

 

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Does the land speed record for steam have to be piston driven?

 

Why would it?

 

If I were building a LSR loco I would think steam turbine and a lot more steam pressure than you could ever coax out of an old boiler design, and build all new there.

 

A steam turbine and a high pressure flash boiler would make much more sense in terms of horsepower to weight.  Of course a gas turbine would be vastly more sensible which is why aircraft have been using them for about 70 years.

 

 I'm not certain how viable their idea (low-carbon footprint steam in the 21st century) but I joined anyway with a good size monthly contribution I will renew each year. 

 

Lee

 

If this group doubled the thermal efficiency of a steam locomotive it still would only be in the 10-20% range.  In your experience is there anywhere in the world today within reach of water, rail or modern highway transportation where it is economical to use an energy source, even a bulky and locally inexpensive energy source, at such low thermal efficiency?

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:

 

Lee

 

If this group doubled the thermal efficiency of a steam locomotive it still would only be in the 10-20% range.  In your experience is there anywhere in the world today within reach of water, rail or modern highway transportation where it is economical to use an energy source, even a bulky and locally inexpensive energy source, at such low thermal efficiency?

 

Not really, I guess that is my point.  I just don't see "green steam" being competitive against equivalent technologies.  So they probably can double, maybe even triple, steam efficiency of Mallard and all those locos back when the steal loco LRS was broken, and it still will not compete with other sustainable green technologies using other approaches.

 

I joined mostly because: a) its a neat project anyway, and b) I'd love to see them beat the LSR for steam: we're coming up on almost exactly 76 years - that's long enough.

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