LCCA 216 set

I don't think so as they were not putting Command in those postwar style Alcon as far as I am aware. I am not 100% certain, though. 

Thought I had the Burlington Set. Went down and checked. Have the LCCA New Haven Alco Set which  came out about three years before the Burlington Set. Anyway the New Haven Set has TMCC with Signal Sounds. (bell and horn no Railsounds).  Just checked on the LCCA Website and the Burlington has TMCC and Signal Sounds. It also has improved magnatraction and weight added to the engine. People were saying the New Haven Alco had trouble pulling the set with the extra cars they offered for it.

Gweedo posted:

Thought I had the Burlington Set. Went down and checked. Have the LCCA New Haven Alco Set which  came out about three years before the Burlington Set. Anyway the New Haven Set has TMCC with Signal Sounds. (bell and horn no Railsounds).  Just checked on the LCCA Website and the Burlington has TMCC and Signal Sounds. It also has improved magnatraction and weight added to the engine. People were saying the New Haven Alco had trouble pulling the set with the extra cars they offered for it.

I stand corrected, then. Thanks!

Thanks for the info.    

The 3 postwar style Alcos that have TMCC are all LCCA exclusives. 209 New Haven, 216 Burlington, and the 208 blue/yellow Santa Fe. The New Haven is a poor puller due to weak Magne-Traction. I replaced the original power truck with a good postwar one with duel Magne-Traction axles and now has no problems with the add on B unit and cars.

Chuck.   I too have the 209 set.    I don't have the pulling problem you mentioned. Are you referring to running the add on set with the basic set?

All these 'repro' Alcos that Lionel produced are still basically 'cheap' engines, unlike the excellent original UP, Rock Island, & Erie's from the early 50's.  Those were excellent performers and of very good quality - not junk at all.  For operation, your best bet are the Williams 'Golden Memories' Alcos and the recent Freight Santa Fe's which have die cast frames and strong motors. Compare this Williams model below with the 'cheap' LCCA repro from a few years ago...

I just replace both lcca santa fe and new haven's with Williams,,, now I can pull the house down,,,theses are great

Vinny, Yes, New Havens have a pilling issue with the add-on set with the B unit and 3 more cars, the engine would spin it wheels trying to start the train.  The problem like I mentioned is weak Magne-Traction in the power truck. The Chinese used low quality magnets. A postwar 200 series motor has superior magnets and pulls much better than the original motor. In subsequent later runs of this engine, Lionel redesigned the whole engine so the power truck is now the front one and added more weight, so they pull better than the early run New Havens.

Chuck.   Thanks for that information.     

Replacing the front truck on my 209s seems like an easy fix.