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I have the Lionel Lincoln Funeral Train (more pictures and review on 3 rail forum).  

https://ogrforum.com/d...nt/10299794794922929

 

I'm curious about the origin of the cars in Lionel's model, specifically the two (rearmost in picture below) in extension set.  They are wonderful models - detailed and nicely done (with very good interiors), and I'd like to see some more.

But are they models of actual passenger cars that existed at the time?  Specifically, are they very early Pullman cars?  

Several references I've found, such as the discussion of the Lincoln funeral train in Christian Wolmar's The Railroad Revolution, say that they were.  However, while they look roughly like the earliest Pullman cars, I can't find photos/diagrams/descriptions that exactly match.  (Early Pullman cars had 15 windows, these have 12, and slightly different construction, apparently, etc., etc.).

L F T on display

 

What I have been able to learn by research:

1) The lead (four truck car) which carried the coffin, is a remarkably-true-to-prototype model of the railroad car called the United States, also known as The President's Car.  It was not a Pullman car, but made the year before in the Military Railway System shops in Alexandria for Lincoln.  He had refused to use it while alive because it was too ornate.   Comparison of the model to a photo of the actual shows very few differences (the bunting right over the photo/logo in the center of the car's side - a small medallion or something round just above that bunting, the width of the end sections next to the vestibules).  I'm depending a lot on this website: http://www.midcontinent.org/ro...uilders/pullman2.htm

United States Car

2) The two model cars provided in the extension set (the models are identical) appear to be the exact same plastic body as the United States, with just two trucks, a simpler "center logo", and less ornate paint.  Again, twelve windows vs. fifteen for Pullman.  I wonder if Lionel just used the body of the very accurate model of that car to create two more "representative cars" not exactly true to any real-world prototypes but looking pretty good for the time.  

Does anyone know if the Military Railway Shops made more passenger cars.  The Lincoln Funeral Train apparently had six other cars on it and I cannot find details (photos, etc.) of those cars. 

 

Thanks for any information available.

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A year ago I bought the book, "Railroads of the Civil War" (Abdill), and it had a chapter on the funeral train.  I then did some more research and bought a book specifically on the funeral train.  There were actually more than one engine that pulled it as it went over the tracks of about 40 different railroads.  People would stand by the tracks to see it, lighting bonfires to light the night.  I think the book said that over half the U.S. population of the time saw the train.  There are numerous photos of it online and you could easily find them and compare the window count.   The funeral car was eventually bought by the Union Pacific (I think) and ended up on a siding in Minneapolis around 1900.  It caught on fire that was caused by a prairie fire and was totally destroyed.  I'm thinking there are some pieces of it in the UP museum in Council Bluffs, but I might be wrong about that.  I'd be willing to consider buying one of the sets, and I don't really have many model trains.

 

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www.lincolnfuneraltrain.com

 

 

Kent in SD

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