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Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
The new Lionel Consolidation is a Harriman (SP/UP) prototype. The valve gear on the model is prototypical. You may, however, get your wish in a couple of years. Lionel is said to have bought the tooling for the Weaver Consolidation, which has either Walschaerts or the very similar Baker valve gear (I can never remember which is which without a captioned picture. That's a really nice little engine. 
 
Originally Posted by Drydock:

Happy to see new small steamers in the book, as opposed to more High End Mallets.  

 

Wish the Consolidation (My favorite wheel arrangement) were an LC+, with Walsharts valve gear.

 

Atlas has the Weaver 2-8-0 tooling.

 

 “However, we are pleased to announce that we will  be bringing many of their models back to the market so that they can be enjoyed  by a new generation of model railroaders. These products will fit right in with  our existing lines and we are committed to bringing them to market with the  high quality that you’ve come to expect from Atlas.”

Tooling acquired in the agreement  includes the 2-8-0, U25B, RS11 and VO-1000 locomotives, the Troop Sleeper and  Kitchen Cars, the Pullman Bradley Coaches, the War Emergency Gondola, the  Wagontop Box Car; and the H30 Covered Hopper. In addition, the molds for the  20’ Containers and telephone poles have also been obtained.

 

Rusty

 

 

Originally Posted by Landsteiner:
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As for your remark about orange Kool-Aid, bad mouthing those who disagree with you as apologists is extremely poor form. Try to stick to the subject matter rather than engaging in personal attacks.

Personal attacks?  Really?  REALLY???  Just relax and breathe.  Then read these excerpts courtesy of Wikipedia. 

 

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a figure of speech commonly used in North America that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination.  ...

 

The phrase has been used in the business and technology worlds to mean fervent devotion to a certain company or technology.

 

Both excerpts seem to apply here just fine.  Emphasis on "figure of speech"... Personal attacks?  Hardly...  Just a friendly and light-hearted way to "agree to disagree".  Don't sweat the little things in life.   

 

 

David

 

 

Last edited by Rocky Mountaineer

This catalog is forcing me to make some painful decisions.  Life's good !

 

I model only UP steam.  There's plenty of it in VOL 2! Lionel has redone all their UP steam in Legacy now.

 

2-8-0: May wait to see it delivered.  Lionel's verification of 'whistle steam' would change that.

 

FEF:  Unsure.  Own the past black and TTG 844.  Sure if I don't, I'll regret it...

 

Weathered H7: Will probably order-it's weathered by Harry for about the same cost as last year.  "Best Large Steam Deal" in the catalog-opinion. 

 

 

Originally Posted by 86TA355SR:

I'm very excited about the UP Excursion 21" cars next year.  Especially if the "FLAG" car is included in the set!

I was amazed that Lionel didn't include a run of UP cars in the initial production run of 21" ABS passenger cars.  So this seems like a natural... and releasing them in a follow-on catalog to the FEF helps spread out the funds.   

 

Just about any time MTH produces passenger cars, they ALWAYS seem to include UP.  So they must sell out each time. 

 

David

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
The new Lionel Consolidation is a Harriman (SP/UP) prototype. The valve gear on the model is prototypical. You may, however, get your wish in a couple of years. Lionel is said to have bought the tooling for the Weaver Consolidation, which has either Walschaerts or the very similar Baker valve gear (I can never remember which is which without a captioned picture. That's a really nice little engine. 
 
Originally Posted by Drydock:

Happy to see new small steamers in the book, as opposed to more High End Mallets.  

 

Wish the Consolidation (My favorite wheel arrangement) were an LC+, with Walsharts valve gear.

 

I am not sure if its the valve gear that looks more western style or the boiler size and stance...

I really like the heavier boiler look....

 

smaller boiler:

 

 

 

 

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Larger boiler:

 

 

 

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I would term it more as Lionel's model is a middle ground between heavy and lighter class locomotive?

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Originally Posted by Rocky Mountaineer:
Originally Posted by 86TA355SR:

I'm very excited about the UP Excursion 21" cars next year.  Especially if the "FLAG" car is included in the set!

I was amazed that Lionel didn't include a run of UP cars in the initial production run of 21" ABS passenger cars.  So this seems like a natural... and releasing them in a follow-on catalog to the FEF helps spread out the funds.   

 

Just about any time MTH produces passenger cars, they ALWAYS seem to include UP.  So they must sell out each time. 

 

David

I am too, Dave.  Good things come to those who are patient (Excursion train)!

 

Now, will it be prototype or generic?  We'll know soon-hope for prototype, expect generic.

 

The "FLAG" car will make this set even more desirable, hope it's included.  If not, I may have to sacrifice a K-Line 21" car!

 

I'm very thankful it'll be in next year's catalog, easier to budget.  Kudos to Lionel for the 'preview announcement' of this!  Wish they'd do more of that!

 

Last edited by 86TA355SR

As always, I don't have a wish list or any expectations for catalogs. I just order what I think my railroad could use.

 

Since I already ordered from volume 1, I found a lot of rehash in volume 2, just as well. I still managed to order over $1000 worth of rolling stock (17 cars, no engines). I ordered a bunch of the 8 door 86' box cars, all 4 tank cars and 3 of the gons.

Originally Posted by Big_Boy_4005:

... I still managed to order over $1000 worth of rolling stock (17 cars, no engines). I ordered a bunch of the 8 door 86' box cars, all 4 tank cars and 3 of the gons.

That's SO easy to do these days without even thinking twice about it!!!  And those purchases probably don't even come close to filling up our trunk (or storage compartment in an SUV).     There's just no "thud factor" nowadays for rolling stock.

 

David

I am disappointed that Lionel did not come up with a late steam era N&W cabin car.  No one makes them!  I am confident that Malcolm will come up with the very best wooden CF cabin car since I am sure the mass producers would be pressed to replicate ALL the detail of a CF.

 

But a steel CG or CH would be just as easy as making the PRR N5b's.  Since the CG dates back to 1927 there would be many ways to decorate/letter from 1927 well into the 60's and past.  Now the CH dates only back to 1940.  But this too would have various paint and lettering.

 

Now as to the "new" website!!!!!  Using Firefox on my older Mac the only thing that come up is bottom and left hand side shadow border.  But Safari does bring it up.

 

Ron

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