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Lionel 2017 (and future): What Do You Want?

ATSF DougATSF DougOGR Forum Member

It's that time again: the "what do you want next" thread!  I will divide it into several categories that I ask everyone to please follow (in the past that has been a problem with organization of the thread).  These categories will help Lionel see patterns in what we want produced and make it more likely that these items are produced.  I also ask you to stay somewhat realistic (but there will be a category for completely off the wall stuff).  Here are the categories:

Vision Line

Scale Diesel/Electric

Scale Steam

Lionmaster

Scale Freight

Scale Passenger

Traditional Locomotives

Traditional Cars

Accessories

Track

Power and Control

What If? (the off the wall category)

 

Feel free to fill out as few or as many of the categories as you'd like.

Here is my list:

Vision Line: AT&SF Super Chief F7 ABBA set with die cast shells, stereo sound, and a new innovative feature

Scale Diesel/Electric: AT&SF FP45, Amtrak Dash 8, Milwaukee Road Bipolar

Scale Steam: Milwaukee Road Class A 4-4-2 Hiawatha, 2-6-0 with Legacy, USRA 4-8-2, NYC L3 4-8-2

Lionmaster: Pennsylvania T1

Scale Freight: NYC Pacemaker boxcar set

Scale Passenger: Super Chief set, Amfleet set, Hiawatha set

Traditional Locomotives: Lionchief Plus 2-8-4, Lionchief Plus 4-8-4 (using the old 1990's tooling that was in Rock Island and Lackawanna)

Traditional Cars: None

Accessories: Mijack crane, engine wash

Track: A scale track system to compete with Scaletrax, Atlas and Ross

Power and Control: None

What If?: AT&SF 1800 class 2-6-2 (scale with whistle steam)

 

That's my list, leave yours below!

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S sinclairOGR Forum Member

Vision Line: Nothing at this time.

Scale Diesel/Electric: Legacy EP-5 with correct sounds, not GG1 sounds.  And some more Legacy electrics, almost anything other than GG1s would do.  Don't get me wrong, I love GG1s, but I'd love some other electrics too.  And ones that can go on O36, so if that moves them from Scale to Traditional, so be it, just make them with Legacy.

Scale Steam: I also want to see some Legacy 2-6-0 Moguls, and 4-4-0 Americans.  Also the class K26/7 Mikados, I have always loved these and want one on 3R O gauge.  What I'd really love is some older smaller steamers, the kinds with balloon or stove pipe stacks, smaller diameter boilers, wood cabs, with lots of color and flags.

LionMaster: As delivered Big Boys.  They don't have to have the coal load or blowdown steam of the VL BBs, but the same sounds with whistle smoke and able to go on O36 would be awesome.  And yes, I would double head it with my VL BB.  I'd also love to see SP #4449 as a LM locomotive, so I can run it on O36.  I'd get one this time around, except that it needs O54 or bigger.

Scale Freight: Wood rolling stock to go with early American locomotives.

Scale Passenger: Wood rolling stock to go with early American locomotives.

Traditional Locomotives: Since this is now LC/+, I have no interest, except where noted above.

Traditional Cars: Nothing at this time.

Accessories: Locomotive sheds that are big enough for the VL BB, or that are modular so it can be expanded.  Then it could have lighting, shop sounds, and a smoking boiler room.

Track: Nothing at this time.

Power and Control: PowerMasters more like the old TMCC ones in that they can be addressed by the Cab handheld without a base.  This allows you to run command locomotives conventionally, with the remote.  Sounds crazy, I know, but it makes running command and conventional locomotives together in the same block so much simpler.

What If? (the off the wall category):  Not sure where the Legacy cranes fall but I want one for NS, in black with white lettering and logo (The horse on the side would look so good.) and yellow handles and safety markings. 

Peter AraujoPeter AraujoOGR Forum Member

LEGACY Southern Ms Mikados #4501 from 1992 tooling, along with 21" Tennessee Valley passenger cars

Features:

  • Whistle steam with the whistle on the other side of the dome
  • 2-axle tender truck
  • Handrails in the front
  • Opening roof hatches & water hatches
  • Real coal load
  • Recording of Southern 4501's whistle
  • Chuff sound from LEGACY Built to Order 4-6-0 ten-wheelers

 

LEGACY Non-Lionmaster A Class 2-6-6-4s including 1218 & other road numbers:

Features:

  • Whistle steam
  • Vision Line Big Boy chuff feature (sound wise)
  • Opening roof hatches & water hatches
  • Real coal load

 

21" aluminum N&W passenger cars in the following numbers:

  • Baggage car 9647
  • Some Coaches: Roanoke Chapter NRHS
  • Observation car: "Mardi Gras", Roanoke Chapter NRHS

 

LEGACY N&W Auxiliary tenders in the following liveries:

  • 2 N&W Black tenders
  • N&W VMTX 250001 tender to go with the LEGACY J class
  • Virginian
  • Black Unlettered
  • Southern green #WT 50

 

Union Pacific Black oil-burning Challenger #3985, along with Auxiliary Tender #814 Joe Jordan

Challenger Features:

  • Bell sound from Vision Line Big Boy
  • Vision Line Big Boy chuff feature (sound wise)
  • Whistle steam

 

21" Aluminum Seaboard Silver Meteor consist including the sun lounge car, Hollywood Beach

 

Amtrak P42DC locomotives:

  • Phase Vb
  • Heritage locomotives
  • Phase III
  • #822 (Exhibit train)
EC El ClassicoOGR Forum Member

imageScale Diesel/Electric-45 Ton diesel switcher. Incredibly small engines, these would be able to go around the small Superstreets curves they sold under the KLine name

Lionmaster-A traditional sized version of the Virginian Ry. 2-8-8-0's. These would be able to utilitize a USRA mike body.  (See 1967 issues of Railroad Model Craftsman)

Scale freight-1860's era cars, beyond stock car, flatcar.

Scale Passenger-ditto

Traditional Locomotives-A new 4-4-0, an old time 4-6-0, a 4-6-0 or 4-6-2 made using the pilot from the 1666 and the body from the 2026, a 0-6-0 using tooling from the 0-4-0, and a proper K4 type using the 675 tooling, in 2 versions: traditional Brunswick green and in a festive shade of red, with a silver (or gold) smoke box and green lettering. Both would be capable of linking up with an iPod or the like to play Christmas carols (or whatever other music someone feels like).

Traditional Cars-something semi new, that hasn't been issued in the past 20 years or so.

Accessories-an operating water tower and the 356 station

Track-tubular 027 profile, in 021, 027, 031, 036, 042, 048, 054 sizes.

Power and Control-sanity

What If? (the off the wall category)-A ATSF 2-10-10-10-10-10-2, like the one shown above, which was published in the early 1950's era Trains magazine, and some realistic prices.

 

 

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BD Bob DelbridgeOGR Forum Member
Peter Araujo posted:
21" Aluminum Seaboard Silver Meteor consist including the sun lounge car, Hollywood Beach

 

If you put in your reservation to GGD you can have one fairly soon:

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#METEOR

WITZ 41 posted:

4-8-2.1

 

Is that a Lionel model?   A few tweaks and we could truly have something that hasn't been offered before:Seaboard 4-8-2 Baldwin 250

What would I really like to see...Lionel lower their prices.  I have yet to spend any $$$ on a Lionel engine, mainly because of the price.  I've been searching for a 4-8-2 for a few months now and even the ones with the solid drivers (no open separation between the spokes) are going for ridiculous prices.  Especially when, to make it into a SAL engine, I'd have to redo the boiler, crosshead assy, and tender.  The UP engine is very close, but I'm sure it's way over what I'm willing to pay.

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B bigo426OGR Forum Member

I want to open a catalog and see more things that I could buy than I would never buy. In 1965 I opened the catalog and the few things I couldn't or wouldn't buy were HO, phonographs, and slot cars. Some things in the 65 catalog may have been a challenge because of price, but in theory if I got the money together I could buy the item. Between the Legacy, Vision, Lionmaster, Scale Steam, iPad control, Lionchief, Hogwarts, John Deere, theme sets, sports sets, etc there's nothing that appeals to me except a couple of milk cars. I expect this to remain the case for 2017.

falconservicefalconserviceOGR Forum Member

We just need for them to finally make the Standard O Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar more like the new O Scale freight cars.

The molded in grab irons on the side have to be removed from the mold by cutting and filling. Then they have to add in some holes to mount metal wire grab irons.

The top door track needs to be molded in plastic that is tinted the same color as the body will be painted.

The underframe needs a bolster added so that the Die-cast metal, modern Roller Bearing trucks can be installed. Not too low to be unrealistic or too high to be unrealistic. The injection mold for the underframe will have to be laser cut or machined for a correct bolster for mounting the roller bearing trucks.

On each end is a warped sign placard that has to be corrected.

Authentic railroad schemes must be applied to the boxcars.

Railroads that actually owned or leased similar boxcars had distinct paint schemes in the 1970's and 1980's.

Railroads such as: Southern Pacific, McCloud River Railroad, SOUTHERN Railway, Western Pacific, Seattle & North Coast.

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Western Pacific 50' boxcar

Notice on the real 50' boxcar that the top of the truck frame is almost even with the bottom edge of the side. So keep the truck height the same by adding a bolster for the die-cast roller bearing trucks.

Andrew

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falconservicefalconserviceOGR Forum Member

Made in the USA freight car for 1/48th Scale, Traditional O gauge, 1/64th Scale:

All new model of the ACF Center Flow 4600 Cubic Foot Capacity, 3-Compartment, 3-bay covered hopper

This version must have:

working hatches on the roof

metal roofwalk

See if you can stamp the whole car out of stainless steel sheets to get the dimensions correct.

3-compartments with slope sheets inside to get the curved shape right for this ACF Center Flow

weld seams on the sides

Metal end ladders with wire grab irons.

SOO LINE graphics

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derekshecklerderekshecklerOGR Forum Member

Scale Diesel/Electric: Legacy RS-3s would be great. Also the BL2. I know a lot of folks think it's ugly, but man, it wore some cool liveries.

Scale Steam: Atlantic Coast Line R-1 class Northerns. The N&W K2/K2a class would present some interesting possibilities.

Scale Freight: Open auto racks, please. I'd also love to see the Vision reefers in American Refrigerator Transit.

Derek

Blue StreakBlue StreakOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Yes to vision ART reefers

Cotton Belt 4-6-0 & 4-8-4 #819. F7's with correct yellow handrails. RS3 with heavyweight passenger cars

Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 #610. Correct 2-8-2 with oil tender. 4-6-2 & 2-8-4 in passenger paint. Texas eagle passenger cars. F7's in freight and passenger schemes. 

Love to have some Vision correct scale FT's. I know third rail made some but I want Cotton Belt in the original confederate paint also black widow w/ correct yellow handrails. 

KCS F3's and F7's

not all at once!

 

 

falconservicefalconserviceOGR Forum Member

The O Scale 89' Auto Rack on 89' flat car in 1970's and 1980's graphics.

THE ROCK or ROUTE ROCK 1975-1980 scheme with blue ROCK flat car and large R graphics.

Santa Fe 1975-1980 scheme with the name Santa Fe in white on two red panels on a TTGX TRAILER TRAIN flat car.

NW Norfolk and Western 1970's white graphics on two panels of a black auto rack on a TTGX TRAILER TRAIN flat car.

Seaboard System graphics in black, yellow, red on a white panel of a yellow auto rack on a TTGX TRAILER TRAIN flat car.

Andrew

B BobbyDOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Swafford posted:

BNSF SD70ACe's...................................................

Regards,

Swafford

bnsf9144a

 

 

hirailsteve posted:
Swafford posted:

Union Pacific SD70ACe's..........................With headlights on the cab nose!

Regards,

SwaffordUP_8768_8766_London_Ont_4_20_2012

And the right horn! 

Swafford posted:

"SD70ACe's..........................With headlights on the cab nose!"

http://eastsidetrains.com/store/images/42580.jpgBNSF ES44AC 42580

Lionel's "No headlights in the nose" tooling saved me $1,200 this year

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hirailstevehirailsteveOGR Forum Member
BobbyD posted:
hirailsteve posted:
Swafford posted:

Union Pacific SD70ACe's..........................With headlights on the cab nose!

Regards,

SwaffordUP_8768_8766_London_Ont_4_20_2012

And the right horn! 

Swafford posted:

"SD70ACe's..........................With headlights on the cab nose!"

http://eastsidetrains.com/store/images/42580.jpgBNSF ES44AC 42580

Lionel's "No headlights in the nose" tooling saved me $1,200 this year

Too be fair, not all UP SD70ACe units have headlights on the nose. This unit is the one modeled by Lionel in 2007.

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Jeff TJeff TOGR Forum Member

Here's what I would like to see!

  • Lionel post a poll on OGR on what everyone wants made.
  • Lionel build one off units, per the poll, in the desired road name
  • All these products completed in a month or two
  • Lionel charge $25 per unit
  • Each unit run perfectly 
  • Lionel offer a lifetime warranty, with free shipping, on every item

Then, just maybe, we can see some of the over the top whining that goes on finally stop! But then again, I would bet it still wouldn't! 

CAPPilotCAPPilotOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
These are the areas that interest me.
Vision Line: F3 Phase 2 early, ABBA, as built PRR paint scheme, all units with sound, at least two with power but all 4 would be great.  They can use their current F3 molding upgraded with accurate details.

Scale Diesel/Electric: SD40-2 in BN bicentennial paint scheme, cab #1876.

Scale Steam: E6 4-4-2 in PRR late 40s paint scheme.

Scale Freight: PRR X29B, X41b, and/or X40b in Circle Keystone or Merchandise Service Phase 1 paint schemes.

Scale Passenger: The remaining AFT showcase, display, control, power and storage cars.  A 21" tool car.  And TTX F85C flatcars.  Non-AFT: Southern Railway 21" all silver passenger cars (no black roof).

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ToledoEdToledoEdOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I'd like an accessory.  Vision Line quality and engineering, designed around the Shuttle.  For those that noted it could never be built to scale,  I understand. But, I did notice when Menards listed the Saturn 5 on a flatcar, folks did buy them.  So here goes:  A Vehicle Assembly building with the shuttle and the solid rocket boosters hanging as they did the real VAB.  Then the boosters are mated to the Shuttle, it is lowered onto the caterpillar, moved to the launch site and requisite sound, in the VAB, command center, etc. simulated exhaust and smoke at the launch, with, maybe the shuttle rising a few inches. Returns to the launch pad, onto the caterpillar and returned to the VAB, repeat. Cars carrying the Shuttle and the boosters, etc.  Maybe geared to the LC+ line?  

RonHRonHOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

Tin plate conventional, no can motors, no electronics/old school.
Re-issues of basic locos O  (150/250 series)  and standard (8/8E), with bright two tone paint.
Basic tinplate starter sets (engine and two cars), something to build on.
Re-issue of the Dreyfus 221 with smoke and whistle (basic).
All at affordable prices.
They will probably never do this as  command for tinplate and non-prototype is not as in demand as all the details/bells/whistles/wireless remotes, running multiple trains on one track and voice chatter.
Just wishful thinking.

ronald1ronald1OGR Forum Member
Mike Donahue posted:

I want a LC+ 2018 in 2018. LOL

I had a 2018 as a child in the 1950s and was looking for one in excellent condition. Guess what, I found one that was new in the box and never run! I was at the NJ Highrailers open house about three years ago and someone there was selling trains, including this one. I was shocked, never thought I'd see one like that.

Ron

B BobbyDOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
BNSF ES44AC
hirailsteve posted:
BobbyD posted:
 
 

http://eastsidetrains.com/store/images/42580.jpgBNSF ES44AC 42580

Lionel's "No headlights in the nose" tooling saved me $1,200 this year

Too be fair, not all UP SD70ACe units have headlights on the nose. This unit is the one modeled by Lionel in 2007.

Steve, I only wanted an ATSF, BNSF, FEC or KSC ES44 so the "Uncle Pete" SD70Ace doesn't help

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FM Former Member

A Legacy scale Texas & Pacific #610  2-10-4 in Freedom Train paint along with that class of engines in their everyday working paint schemes.  I don't believe there has ever been a 3 rail scale version of this engine made by anyone.  Send an email to Lionel and let them know if you'd like one made.

 

Nick

Len BLen BOGR Forum Member

Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern Baldwin transfer diesel complete with the Hancock air whistle sounds. Since that's not like to happen,  I'd settle for a more common EMD unit, like the SD39 (with said air whistle, though...it's got to have the air whistle). 

 

I know, MN&S is not mainstream enough for Lionel. This would probably have a better chance with Atlas O or even MTH. 

 

Dave WarburtonDave WarburtonOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
dorfj2 posted:

Super O track

2378 Milwaukee road F-3 --- postwar style --- was never made in the PWC / Conventional Classics series

Thx

Very true. But Lionel did make a souped up version of the 2378 AB in their very short-lived "Scale Postwar Series" of a few years ago.

I picked up this AB set on sale at a very good price and it does the trick for me as far as that set is concerned. Very nice!

Len BLen BOGR Forum Member
falconservice posted:

To match the Minneapolis, Northfield & Southern SD39 diesel-electric locomotive they would need to have the MNS Bay-Window Caboose produced.

MNS caboose

Indeed, it would be nice to see a caboose offered as well.

As a bit of an aside, if I am not mistaken, the houses in the background suggest this shot was taken in Bloomington. I thought the Milw "bandits" showing up after '85 spelled death for this segment. Remarkably, this line survived and still sees trains today under Progressive. I gather from the safety vest this is actually a shot of a Progressive train with a legacy caboose scheme in tow. Am I right?

TraindieselTraindieselOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

My usual list, all scale, Locomotives with Legacy:

Scale Diesel/Electric:

FP7: Amtrak, Reading, Milwaukee Road (Hiawatha), PRR, SEPTA, Penn Central

Amtrak E60

Amtrak Acela

Amtrak Cities Sprinter ACS-64

Metroliners: PRR, Penn Central, Amtrak

Rail Diesel Cars (RDC) scale sets (any and all roads)

F7 ABBA: Penn Central, Western Pacific

SD45: Penn Central  

FP45: Santa Fe, Amtrak

GG1: Penn Central ("Black Jack")

Fairbanks Morse Trainmaster: Milwaukee Road

Scale Steam:

Reading Crusader scale set w/ 21" cars

PRR 2-10-2 N1s

Strasburg RR 2-10-0 #90

Strasburg RR 4-8-0 #475

Scale Passenger (21" Scale):

Amfleet 

Amtrak Viewliner Sleeper & Diner

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Mikado 4501Mikado 4501OGR Forum Member

Amen to the Strasburg engines, Brian. Especially #90.

Vision Line: ACF Center Flow Hopper 3-Pack with Vision sounds of grain being loaded and unloaded

Scale Diesel/Electric: Allegheny & West Virginia SD40-2's numbered 1206, 7375, and 7346; Allegheny & West Virginia AC4400's numbered 777 and 767

Scale Steam: Nickel Plate Road USRA Mikado #587 with the Berkshire Tender; New York Central L3A Mohawk; New York Central Niagara; New York Central unstreamlined J3A Hudson

Scale Passenger: Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum Passenger Cars

Traditional Locomotives: LC+ SD60M's; LC+ Dash 8-40B/C's; LC+ postwar sized GS-2/4 Daylights

Traditional Cars: John Carpenter's Halloween and Christine horror boxcars

Accessories: More types of engine sheds

Track: 10" or 30" Fastrack straights with removable sides

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falconservicefalconserviceOGR Forum Member

ACF Center Flow 4600 Cu Ft Capy 3-compartment, 3-bay covered hopper made entirely out of Stainless Steel that this model is an exact scale replica of the real freight cars on the outside and inside.

Working Roof Hatches and operating gear & rack mounted discharge gates allow the cars to be loaded and unloaded.

I have been waiting for those ACF Center Flows for 20 years.

Soo Line

Chicago & North Western

ATSF Santa Fe

Grand Trunk Western - as a correction.

Andrew

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The Portland RoseThe Portland RoseOGR Forum Member

 

Vision Line                      Northern Pacific/SP&S Z-8 Challenger

Scale Diesel/Electric      Union Pacific/Southern Pacific U50B

Scale Steam                    Western Maryland Potomac 4-8-4

                                         Frisco 4-8-2 1522

                                         Milwaukee Road S-2

Lionmaster                   Union Pacific FEF-2/3

Scale Freight                 Maintenance of Way rail flat cars   

Scale Passenger           Smooth Sided Budd Domes

Traditional Locomotives

Traditional Cars

Accessories                   3 light signals

Track

Power and Control

What If? (the off the wall category). Hyper Loop vacuum tube train with Area 51 theme

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