Ok Lionel Dealers!
we need someone to step up and do a custom run of Strasburg 31 with the correct tender. The one in the catalog is too wrong to even try and look past. Come on! Someone take my money!
2022 Vol1
make this!!!
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Right there with you. The Washington Terminal 0-6-0 had a tender similar to the PRR H10, B6, and E6 that Lionel has done in recent years.
Looks rather silly having a tender taller than the engine itself.
I'm all in for that!
This has to be some kind of a record...The catalogs not even out yet.
@greg773 posted:Ok Lionel Dealers!
we need someone to step up and do a custom run of Strasburg 31 with the correct tender. The one in the catalog is too wrong to even try and look past. Come on! Someone take my money!
2022 Vol1
make this!!!
The mogul tender would be good here
How about starting with the correct engine? Way off on both counts. I suspect one reason they used the pieces they did is the prototype is so small they would only be able to fit trackmobile boards in there.
Pete
@Brian DeFazio posted:The mogul tender would be good here
If you could only find a Legacy Mogul that didn't go to the crusher because they were all screwed up! 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:If you could only find a Legacy Mogul that didn't go to the crusher because they were all screwed up!
LMAO!!!!!
When does it come out? I thought 9am today?
The PRR version has a shorter tender even though the Lionel image shows the same one as the above image. Even though it's not the same, it's a lot closer. Maybe they will use that one.
@papajoewill posted:When does it come out? I thought 9am today?
10:00 am.
@papajoewill posted:When does it come out? I thought 9am today?
10am
Unless Lionel decides to change this at a factory level you're not getting a special run / different tender out of a dealer. The justification of running a run of 25-50 tenders including frames, trucks, shells, etc isn't even close to financially reasonable. I would assume that Lionel explored what options are available to them in terms of tender tooling and if this is what they settled on, then this is what they feel is the best option they have available. This is one of those situations where I think you settle, or you're going to be scratch building a tender and transplanting electronics.
Settling is not an option!
@greg773 posted:Settling is not an option!
Well then I guess you won't be buying it. You're not going to twist their arm into switching the tender this late in the game. This catalog has likely been done for months, I can't ever recall a time where Lionel has switched tender tooling that drastically after an item was cataloged.
I’ve twisted arms in the past to get things changed. Not as big an arm as a tender but twist I have.
the trick is to make people aware and for the people to demand what they want. Just saying this is how it is deal with makes them think it’s ok. But when you push for excellence the seller and buyer both win
@Notch 6 posted:Well then I guess you won't be buying it. You're not going to twist their arm into switching the tender this late in the game. This catalog has likely been done for months, I can't ever recall a time where Lionel has switched tender tooling that drastically after an item was cataloged.
@Rider Sandman posted:
Ah I forgot about that one. That was a different era...
@Notch 6 posted:Ah I forgot about that one. That was a different era...
I suspect you’re right, Derek.
@Notch 6 posted:Unless Lionel decides to change this at a factory level you're not getting a special run / different tender out of a dealer. The justification of running a run of 25-50 tenders including frames, trucks, shells, etc isn't even close to financially reasonable. I would assume that Lionel explored what options are available to them in terms of tender tooling and if this is what they settled on, then this is what they feel is the best option they have available. This is one of those situations where I think you settle, or you're going to be scratch building a tender and transplanting electronics.
It hasn't not been done though. Nicholas Smith had a custom run of PRR K4's with E6 tenders. Although, I think this was the same year as the Harding Funeral Train which featured K4 with E6 tender.
That being said, the USRA engine itself is so much longer that 31 that it still wouldn't look right. You can put lipstick on a pig....
Wow, I thought I was the only one that would care about this lol. That's great that there are so many 31 fans out there. I was super excited to see this engine in the book but that tender is brutal. If they don't fix it, then I will have to modify one. However, if enough people reach out to Lionel perhaps maybe they'll listen. Keep up the fight! The mogul tenders would look soooooo much better on this engine than what they have pictured!
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FYI Mogul tender shells are out there, some even lettered for Strasburg. Shorten the frame and bobs your uncle. Not sure its worth the effort though given how far off the engine is.
Pete
There seems to be a delicate balance between what locomotive size and electronic features.
Dave mentioned on the live stream that in order to get a more accurate offering of 31, then they would not be able to jam the electronic features in. Seems like they could it like the 150th anniversary 4-4-0 where the locomotives do not have sound or smoke - not sure if people would still bite for these or not.
I think that we would get a scale N&W 475 before a scale 31 out of Lionel. Those N&W 4-8-0's have a large following because of 475's Strasburg fame and the Abington Line's fame.
@greg773 posted:I would really like to buy one of these considering I’ve been all up inside her!
As Michael Scott from The Office would say……..
31 isn’t necessarily something I need to have. But I’d definitely be more interested in the 0-6-0s if they had a mogul style tender. I’m sure with set up costs, they have a certain number of tenders that must be run to make it economical. But maybe some other 0-6-0 custom runs with the mogul tenders would help
Lionel should've honestly done CN 7470 in addition to 31.
The tender is more like 7470's and I believe 7470 has a longer boiler/frame than 31 so it would look more appropriate. Not mad that they are doing 31 though... just thinking out loud.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:If you could only find a Legacy Mogul that didn't go to the crusher because they were all screwed up!
Oh come on John... Lionel "said" only a "few" were defective.
Well, I did get one that I returned from the "defective" column to the "working as planned" column by simply adding the missing rod bushings!
I’d be more concerned with what’s in them as far as electronics. They said it’s a tight fit. I’m still peeved about the last run of 0-8-0’s that came with the Flyer board in them. They lauded the fact the engine now had a tether that would pretty much eliminate stalling. At the speed it travels. Stalling is not a problem. Slow speed switching is the problem.
@RickO posted:Oh come on John... Lionel "said" only a "few" were defective.
I seem to remember information indicating only a small number (11 or 12 percent of the production run) of the Legacy Mogul engines had been returned for repair, not that only a “few” were defective.
How about this?
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And where did you find that? Someone doing a custom run for 7312?
@GregM posted:I seem to remember information indicating only a small number (11 or 12 percent of the production run) of the Legacy Mogul engines had been returned for repair, not that only a “few” were defective.
I have a Lionel Mogul from that production run and somehow missed the boat on having the issue addressed. I am not really sure when it happened, suddenly people on the form were talking about the mogul repairs in the past tense instead of being something down the road.
@DJ Haney posted:And where did you find that? Someone doing a custom run for 7312?
I edited the image myself.
Ah got ya. It looked pretty legit, I was checking all the stores that I knew that did custom jobs lol.
I heard the legacy moguls had some issues but the TMCC ones were great. I don’t think it had to do with the size of the tender, probably some electronics issue.
@GregM posted:I seem to remember information indicating only a small number (11 or 12 percent of the production run) of the Legacy Mogul engines had been returned for repair, not that only a “few” were defective.
Yep, I know that Pete fixed at least a couple, and I saw other folks with issues they were working out. I got mine for $300 NIB, so I took a chance on being able to get it running.
@DJ Haney posted:Ah got ya. It looked pretty legit, I was checking all the stores that I knew that did custom jobs lol.
I heard the legacy moguls had some issues but the TMCC ones were great. I don’t think it had to do with the size of the tender, probably some electronics issue.
I fixed three of them myself and helped two others fix theirs with a 20 cent bushing that was omitted from one of the siderods on each side. If there were other issues, these five didn’t have them.
Pete
@Norton posted:I fixed three of them myself and helped two others fix theirs with a 20 cent bushing that was omitted from one of the siderods on each side. If there were other issues, these five didn’t have them.
Pete
Where did you get this bushing? Mine did not get sent back either and runs ok, but if there is something it is missing I would like to fix it. Is it an easy fix?
@CarGuyZM10 posted:Where did you get this bushing? Mine did not get sent back either and runs ok, but if there is something it is missing I would like to fix it. Is it an easy fix?
Te first pair I got from Lionel but had to make the rest myself as they are NLA now. They were used in the TMCC engines but left out of the later Legacy engines and cause the rods to bind and even break. See how much play the rods on the front driver has vs the rear pair.
Pete
