LIONEL 402 INFO NEEDED

Hi I would check with my father Harry Henning Jr at Hennings Trains 

phone 215-362-2442 

He might by some chance know about this set.Dad has been around the trains for over 65 years.

What components make this set up? A 402 or 402E, and the normal 418 cars similar to this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121251522096?lpid=82

If it's all black crackle, I'd be inclined to say it's been redone in the past. I have never heard of one in any other color but mojave, but, I could be wrong. Interesting, though.

It is a 402E engine with  TENDER AND 5 200 series cars,

217 CABOOSE

219 CRANE

212 GONDOLA

218 DUMP

220 SEARCH LIGHT

HE BOUGHT IT FROM FRANKS HOBBY SHOP IN COLLINGDALE PA IN THE 80'S

Did Lionel make a black crackle paint?

Sorry no pics

GG1GUYY

Yes, Lionel did make black crackle.

For your set, I found no other info. The info I found a 402 freight set is it was listed as Outfit 406E and contained a 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, and 217. but lists them in their normal colors, mojave for the engine, the early Lionel prewar colors for the cars. No mention of black crackle.

However, your consist is different than what I found listed, so who knows. It's 90 years old and a lot can happen over that much time....

Questions that boggle the mind:

Does a 402 need a tender to haul extra electricity?

If so, would it be in solid or liquid form? 

And exactly how does that drawbar couple to a 402's latches?

Perhaps it's an "X" tender with a latch coupler on each end?

I wonder if its a vandy or coal type?

...perhaps you meant a 400 steam locomotive?

OOPS

NO TENDER IT IS A 402E HE SEEMS TO THINK IT WAS A SPECIAL ORDER FOR THIS STORE?

GG1GUYY

Lionel did a few engines in black crackle Charles Woods  has the color as #400 "Crackle Black" , a friend of mine does have a 400e in black crackle

Hi Sal

I'm john with the 402e crackle black freight set that we met at oaks. I took a ride to glenn stinsons home for his evaluation.  He thinks they are a repaint.  Thinking outside the box is it possible lionel or another company which made standard guage pre 1941 made this set as a one off. I would just like to know its origin.  I,m sending pictures to you hoping somebody knows something.   Thanks John

Franks Hobby Shop could be Franks Roundhouse and they did repaints.

John, the train set is really beautiful.  Who ever did the crackle black paint job did a very fine job, it's just gorgeous.

Lionel did a crackle black, but it was a late color, well after the 402.  I'm away from home and don't have my reference books handy, but I believe it was used on the 400 and 408.  I'm quite sure only locomotives, and I believe only those two. Someone could check me on this.

The black paint on your train isn't as old as the trains: it's flawless, no scratches, no wear, while the brass shows an old patina and the wheels show rust.  That mismatch alone says it's a later paint job.

That is one spectacular one-of-a-kind set, and who ever did it was a real craftsman, but I would feel certain it did not come that way from Lionel.

The engine is a 402 E because the E is a red stamp on the door.

Most likely done when reproduction parts were not that available. Only way i can explain a perfect paint job with patina and rust on the other parts.

Trim is aged...paint is new...REPAINT CITY...sorry!  I would expect the 400e Steamer was the only legit crackle black...

Well hi

John had stoped at our shop Saturday with the set.

i looked it over and it is one that was repainted.

the set looks great. The 402 was Lionel that had been gone over and had new wheels put on when Mcoy was making wheels In the Late 70s and early 80s

The fright cars were done in the crackle paint and done well.

the work train set that someone made was very nicely done. 

I would say that personally I liked it my self and wood leave it as is.

i would put it in my collection as it is.nice conversation pice.

John thank you for bring the set in for us to look over.