Lionel AFT T1 Sample At York

YEOW !!!!!! Horrible to my eyes !!

Yep, thats the wrong color alright.  I don't care what the "Lionel rep said" .  Its time for these "reps" to realize that its far too easy for "Joe modelrailroader"  to go on the web and found out what these locos are supposed to look like, and sound like for that matter.

Lionel builds trains for a living, why is it so hard to get the details like paint correct??? They spend months creating these locos, yet we can spot the errors in 30 seconds.

Well ummm

At the Legacy meeting Friday morning, Mike R. said that the color was going to be corrected for the production run.  We will just have to wait and see.  I was more interested in the level of detail, especially on the front end.  Here is a blow-up of a shot of the front end:

I was pleased to see the eagle on the headlight.

Andy

WRONG!!!!  I really wonder just who these "experts" the Lionel folks consult with. I'm sure that Mr. Rowland could have provided them the exact paint code (Dupont?) that AFT 1 was painted with.

DaveSlie posted:

While browsing the Lionel display at York a friend and I noticed the new AFT T1 on display.  It looked blue....VERY BLUE.   The Lionel rep told us that they had contacted several "historians" and even Ross Rowland on the correct paint color and everyone said this shade of blue was right.  

I wonder if that was the same Lionel rep that told my buddy last year, that the "other road numbers" of the UP FEF-3 models would NOT have that Worthington heater box by the stack, and would indeed have the correct piping for the Sellers Exhaust Steam feedwater system? 

 

 

Per OGR forum meeting at York it was confirmed that was a wrong paint and the final production was to be darker. That blue was used just to get the thing ready to bring to the show.

I wasn't the only one to say "yikes" when I saw it!!

Glad to hear the paint is going to be changed.  A few sighs of relief can be heard! 

Hot Water posted:

WRONG!!!!  I really wonder just who these "experts" the Lionel folks consult with. I'm sure that Mr. Rowland could have provided them the exact paint code (Dupont?) that AFT 1 was painted with.

From an earlier post:

"At the Legacy meeting Friday morning, Mike R. said that the color was going to be corrected for the production run."

 in twenty years or so, the ill painted blue AFT T1 York sample will come to auction as a one of a kind masterpiece and the bidders will go crazy.

Lionel did tell people that the color was not correct.  I chased the AFT back in the day and it was as shown in the museum.

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Lionel did tell people that the color was not correct. 

Not according to the original poster!

Hot Water posted:

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Lionel did tell people that the color was not correct. 

Not according to the original poster!

When we stopped by the Lionel booth on Friday afternoon the rep was still telling people that wa the color it was going to be delivered in.  When it was questioned then thats when the rep told us about consulting Ross Rowland. 

Looks like some of the reps never got the word on the color change.  By the way, the rep from Lionel was NOT Mike R.  

Looks like the color they used for the CSX genset, which they also got wrong...

The Eagle is nice however

Hot Water, Mike Reagan made that very clear at York.

Given some recent screw ups with paint, I sure hope Lionel gets this right.

Mike Reagan knows after the GS4 Hatch fiasco that getting this right and other items are very important for credibility. Besides all the items companies displays are demos and sample pieces and most likely that will not be the finished product. Remember how you look at a photo of a product, and when it arrives it looks completely different? 

I took pictures when it was running and it sure was a darker blue. 

Lionel will get it right as Mike R. Stated. 

OK all you nay sayers........

As I explained at the OGR Forum meeting on Friday afternoon the T-1 we displayed at York was the very first sample to arrive in the US from the factory. We realized quite quickly the color was off and have since communicated with our China team to changes required to accurately reproduce the correct color. 

Good thing I checked the forum this morning! As you all know, I get on here first thing so I know what I'm doing for the entire day!

Mike

Was the production sample on the DMIR SD38's just missed ?

MichRR714 posted:

Was the production sample on the DMIR SD38's just missed ?

It has already shipped IIRC.

Mikado posted:

OK all you nay sayers........

As I explained at the OGR Forum meeting on Friday afternoon the T-1 we displayed at York was the very first sample to arrive in the US from the factory. We realized quite quickly the color was off and have since communicated with our China team to changes required to accurately reproduce the correct color. 

Good thing I checked the forum this morning! As you all know, I get on here first thing so I know what I'm doing for the entire day!

 

Mike

Mike, if you are looking to "relieve yourself of" the production sample, I would be interested, wrong color and all. Email in profile.

Santa Fe 3751 posted:

... Mike, if you are looking to "relieve yourself of" the production sample, I would be interested, wrong color and all. Email in profile.

Perhaps a great loco to test one's weathering skills???  

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Santa Fe 3751 posted:

... Mike, if you are looking to "relieve yourself of" the production sample, I would be interested, wrong color and all. Email in profile.

Perhaps a great loco to test one's weathering skills???  

Maybe, or just enjoy the "royal" American Freedom Train.

Mikado posted:

OK all you nay sayers........

As I explained at the OGR Forum meeting on Friday afternoon the T-1 we displayed at York was the very first sample to arrive in the US from the factory. We realized quite quickly the color was off and have since communicated with our China team to changes required to accurately reproduce the correct color. 

Good thing I checked the forum this morning! As you all know, I get on here first thing so I know what I'm doing for the entire day!

 

Mike

Mike:

Thank you for posting to correct the record.

The only other to-do would be to improve communications among the Lionel team.  You might have delivered the message at the Friday OGR forum meeting, but the original poster and DAVESLIE have each confirmed that not everyone on the Lionel team was singing from the same hymnal.  While you were saying one thing on Friday, at least one of your colleagues was saying another.  

It's not a major crime, but it is something to work on.  And these gentlemen aren't nay-sayers for pointing this out....

(FWIW, I would call that prototype color "NY Mets blue", i.e., not a color found in nature, i.e., blecccch.)

Steven "glad he bought the GS-4, regardless of color" Serenska

Santa Fe 3751 posted:

MichRR714 posted:

Was the production sample on the DMIR SD38's just missed ?

It has already shipped IIRC.

Yes, I'm well aware it was produced with the wrong paint color.

Hey that looks like the same crazy blue paint we used for our costumes last weekend....

J Daddy posted:

Hey that looks like the same crazy blue paint we used for our costumes last weekend....

 

 

 

Some things you just "un-see". 

"The Lionel rep told us that they had contacted several "historians" and even Ross Rowland on the correct paint color and everyone said this shade of blue was right.  "

We all wear our TCA name badges.  Any clue who the 'Lionel Rep' was?

I was pleased to see the eagle on the headlight.

Andy

And for $1700.00 so am I... but that blue better be fixed. MTH got it right with theirs- but no Eagle on the front!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS9qwBIoAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F70GRR8w3Zc