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I have a couple of the Lionel Dash-8 505 locomotives pulling a total of twelve Amtrak passenger cars.  I am running these locomotives in what I suppose (I'm an old-timer, accustomed to post-war locos) in what is known as "conventional" mode.  I do not have TMCC or Legacy controllers.  I am simply applying power to the track via a Lionel 6-32930 ZW Transformer with two180 Watt Bricks (one for each track).  The issue that I am seeing with the locos is that when the amount of power is adjusted, with the train in motion, the train comes to a virtual stop, and then starts back up again with the new power settings.  This is an issue, especially if the train is on a long curve, as the sudden increase in power (as seen by the loco) causes a severe jerking motion when it restarts, often derailing one of more of the passenger cars.  I have the Odyssey mode turned off.  In fact, all switches are in the off position, with the exception of the run/prog switch, which, I believe, is in the run position.  Any idea what is causing both 505s to perform like this.  Not only do I tire of putting the cars back on track, but each time they derail, they pick up little nicks and scratches.

I run, with the exception of this Amtrak, exclusively post-war stuff.  Have never seen this type of behavior before.  Any and all help would be appreciated.

Scott

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What you are experiencing with Odysessy turned off is normal if you are running the cars on very tight curves, as they will create a lot of drag for the locomotive to overcome. Leaving Odyssey on will get rid of this behavior and lead to a much smoother experience overall

You may also want to check if the cars are dry on the points that need oil and also check if the curves you are using are rated for their minimum required radius

Thanks.  I will try with Odysessy turned on.  The curves are 72", so I really don't think that is the issue.  I'm not sure I could make a more gentler curve.  All cars were properly lubricated, prior to running them, so I'm not sure that lubrication is an issue, either, but it is worth re-checking.  It does not appear to be a curve or car issue though.  It's as if the locos just "shut off" for a couple of seconds, the come back on at the new throttle.

The reason for the engines stalling out on long curves with odyssey off is because they need more current to compensate for the extra drag, so you would need to gently throttle up to get more power to the motors. But with Odyssey on it will compensate for the motor stalling out from extra drag and increase the power automatically to them to prevent them from stalling out.

There's an RPM reader on one of the motors of each engine that will constantly monitor motor rotation and tell the motor board to increase the power if it senses a decrease in rotation speed. But also decrease power, if it senses the motor speed increasing. So it will maintain a constant speed, no matter the load.

72" radius curve more than sufficient for those passenger cars, I am guessing you are running the engines with the matching aluminum double decker passenger cars? Those will further increase the chance of stalling on curves, since they are significently heavier then post-war cars. Hence why your post-war stuff doesn't have the problems your Amtrak train has... Much lighter cars means a lot less weight for the engine(s) to pull and therefore less chance of the engine(s) stalling out.

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