Lionel catalog tease is up.

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6 add-on 2-pks of auto carriers

Seems like an interesting way to package these...  I assume 12 different new road names?

There is also a PRR Merchandise car in there as well.

Bill

The scale length auto carriers 2 packs are: BNSF, UP, Grand Trunk, CSX, CN and Conrail

Also a few traditional sized items:

Great Northern Mountain Mover RTR set (0-8-0 loco, 3 cars and work caboose)

Beatles "Nothing is Real" aquariun car (catalog photo shows yellow sub aquarium car ?)

Elvis 30th Anniversary boxcar

Thomas Kinkade Emerald City boxcar

I don't know that there are twelve additional railroads that even have auto carriers rostered. May be some with just different numbers.

re: auto carriers...  Each two-pack has two road numbers of the same railroad.  The railroads are those offered in the Motor City Express... along with the two add-on cars from the last catalog.

David

First, since when has lionel cared about complete prototypical accuracy? They could slap a keystone on these things and probably double the order volume.

Second, these arent an ultramodern design, so anything from the late 80's or so is within reason.  There's lots of options...

SP (Speed Letters and Roman Letters)

CP (CP Rail, Canadian Pacific, Canadian Pacific Railroad)

TTX

Conrail

CN

GTW

CSX

Chessie

ATSF

UP (Slogans or no Slogans)

BN

NS

KCS

TFM

Probably some others.

Its my understanding that if you're a part of the TTX pool and haul autos you're required to own your portion of the autorack fleet.

In light of this, I would guess they're just trying to recover the tooling costs. I'll also guess that the first announced run of cars will be delayed until the orders for all of these are in, and they'll ship the whole lot at once.

Good Day, 

Frisco and MKT auto carriers from the 70's would be fantastic!

Regards, 

Swafford

Swafford,

I was just about to say Frisco & MKT - Don't forget the Cotton Belt

If they are going to be delivered in January, they have to be on the production line in China right now.

Andrew

THE railroads of the 1970's and 1980's with Auto carriers

CN with the name CANADIAN NATIONAL on the flat car

CP Rail with the Multimark graphic

Boston & Maine

Grand Trunk Western All blue sides

Illinois Central Gulf

Richmond, Fredricksburg, & Potomac

Norfolk and Western

Missouri Pacific

L&N

SCL

SOUTHERN

ROCK

C&NW

C&EI

FRISCO

Milwaukee Road

BN Burlington Northern Cascade Green

Santa Fe with the name in large letters on a Red Background

SSW  Cotton Belt

SP SOUTHERN PACIFIC with the Helvetica Bold lettering only.

Rio Grande

MKT

Western Pacific

Chessie System C&O and B&O graphics started to be replaced by CSX in the late 1980's with CSX graphics.

Refurbished NS Norfolk Southern auto carriers did not appear until 1990's.

Andrew

The CSX TRANSPORTATION scheme on the Auto Racks in the 1987-1990 time period is what Lionel has to put on an O Scale Auto Carrier.

Andrew

For all those wanting a base price on the Heritage es44s .. Wholesale trains has them on there site..  http://www.wholesaletrains.com...IESEL&offset=350

There defently plastic at  the price of 439 and mth is 409 there right there in price...

The new steamers  http://www.wholesaletrains.com...OSTEAM&offset=75

The whole catalog  http://www.wholesaletrains.com...le=O&Item=L22X2K

I'm assuming those are preorder prices?  $1039 for the mohawk,$1104 for the J& GS2, $1279 for the mohawk set, $1559 for the J set.Not the worst I suppose.

Only one more sleep to go now boys and girls. Then all will be revealed. 

They're doing an unpainted scale Pacific? Has Lionel ever cataloged an unpainted engine before?

Feature DETAILS!

Good Day,

Any Husky Stack Cars?

Regards, 

Swafford

None that I recall seeing when I quickly browsed through the store catalog yesterday.  I only looked through the Standard O section, which is where I would have expected to see something like that.  So I'm gonna say that there won't be any new offerings along that line.  Atlas-O, however, is offering new sets of their Gunderson cars due out 1Q2013.

David

That's too bad about no SP passenger cars in the catalog. There were streamlined Daylight 18" cars that were cataloged with the first GS-2, and the heavyweights with the GS-4, both of which matched the engines (it would have been more appropriate for the steamlined cars rather than the heavyweights to have been cataloged with the GS-4, though).

The problem with the GS-2 and GS-4 is that while the engines can be found, the cars are very scarce. The market doesn't need another GS-2 - it needs another run of the steamlined passenger cars to match the steamers already issued. You're right about the Shasta cars - they're not a good color match for the steamers. Lionel may do more cars to match the GS-2 in the 2013 Vol. 1 catalog. It may be that due to current Chinese production problems, there wasn't any way to get anything more produced right now, but who knows?

They produced a set of streamline cars in 2010. Lettered is the post '46 scheme "Southern Pacific" sans "Lines" unlike the 2005 sets. I am guessing the GS-2 will be lettered to match the later cars.

Pete

Well the 2010 catalog included the Shasta Daylight cars... a much deeper shade of red and golden orange vs. the bright orange and yellowish gold paint scheme on the 2005 cars.  Anything is possible, but the Lionel Daylight Steamers have traditionally matched the brighter color scheme from 2005.  And I only  saw the catalog briefly yesterday with no point of reference... so it's hard to tell. 

The Shasta Daylight color scheme matches the Lionel PA diesels in the same catalog and is also a great match to the Lionel SD 70ACe diesel as well.  But I'm betting the new Daylight GS-2 (if done in the former GS-2 paint scheme) will not be a good match to the Shasta Daylight color scheme.  I guess we'll know for sure in January.

David

Yes... I would agree -- especially when you consider that it appears the new GS-2 really doesn't have much in the way of newer steam loco features beyond the basic Legacy electronics and sound package.  That is, no whistle-steam or steam-chest effects, etc...  

David

Good to know. I was looking to buy some Shasta cars to add to the 2005 cars.

Pete

Gonna be very disapointed if the gs2 and j dont have either a smoking whistle or steam chest...

There's always a possibility that the catalog description is omitting something.  But the fact that the locomotives are due to ship in January 2013 means that there's no time to even work those features into the production if consumer demand warranted it.  These locomotives are likely well into production now, if the January 2013 delivery date is "real".

Probably not worth speculating too much until we hear the "definitive word" from Lionel.  But if the catalog descriptions are accurate, it's not looking pretty for those folks who were counting on all the latest and greatest steamer features. 

David

They don't.  I verified it today.

However I'm not sure what there is to be disappointed about.  Are those features do or dies for you?  I'd much rather have a well done model, good sound and Legacy.

Well that could definitely be a show stopper for me.  I don't get the logic behind that.

Well theres really no reason to buy the j then .. I just get a used 611 for 1/2 the price

This is TERRIFIC news for toy train enthusiasts who have shunned away from current secondary market TankTrain prices.  The new catalog should douse the inflated prices of existing TankTrain cars in a very big way, since the newly catalog'd cars already appear to have "early buy" street prices down around $56-$59.  Very nice! 

David

Hobbystation has there prices up 1079 for the daylight and the J

http://hobbystation.net/2012lionelvolume2.aspx

For someone who's in the market for one of these new steamers, I'm sure they'll be happy with the Legacy version.  However, for those who already own a Railsounds 5.0 version, these new locomotives don't seem nearly as compelling as they could have been with all the latest features. 

Question I have for the Legacy experts though... has anyone successfully double-headed a Legacy loco (i.e., w/Odyssey II) along with a TMCC loco (w/Odyssey)?  Do the two Odyssey versions work well together?  I suppose there's always the option of running w/o Odyssey activated on both locomotives... but then how is the slow-speed operation?  Thanks, in advance!!!

David

I been holding out on a j for this reason .. The daylight i gonna buy. Why spend 1000 on a used gs4 when i can get it new..The J i probley still get.  Not getting the mohawk l2 though. i have the rs5.0 one and i love it .. No reason to blow 500 more bucks on that ... With the es44s in plastic i am gonna get the conrail and penny..

You have to run them both as a TMCC loco.

Many thanks Chris!!!

David

They offered unpainted versions of the EM-1, and the S-3. Bothe were uncatalogued.

Bill

Did Amtrak buy new auto cats for AUTOTRAIN?

Although the steam engines are some of the ones I want, is it really worth to upgrade from RS5 to the legacy version?  I'm just not sure Beings the only upgrade on these new engines is legacy. Guess ill have to sleep on it.

I think it was Rich Battista who said that he would never purchase a steam engine again unless it had the whistle steam? I don't understand why they would put out a J or a Daylight without at least whistle steam. These engines are large enough to add the new features, aren't they?? I'm pretty sure that this is where the demand is, isn't it? If they dont have whistle steam I am completely confused.

Why is there no more engines being released with the moving bell? I have not heard of any issues when it comes to this feature malfunctioning... I think the moving bell is the single greatest new feature that blows everyone away and everyone wants it. 

In my opinion, if these new releases don't at least have whistle steam, then they are going to miss out on a huge percentage of orders.

In just under three hours from now folks can put all the speculation to rest and then begin their praising or complaining. 

I'm fairly certain that there will be plenty of both Allan.