Working on schematic reproduction for D-62 like Lionel would have done as I cannot fond originals
JAGRICK:
I have a copy of Roger Carp's book on dealer displays. It will be a couple of weeks before I can get to it. I'll then send you a scan of the track plan.
This one is not in Roger’s book and neither is wiring.
Jagrick posted:This one is not in Roger’s book and neither is wiring.
That's correct. And, unfortunately, as we've already discovered it's also not available on the Bob Osterhoff DVD of Lionel Dealer Displays Instruction Sheets.
Nice job on your schematics.
Will do wiring next in same style as lionel
Wow, congrats, you are all in!
Just noticed the "Hillside" along the tops of those portals. Guess those are period pieces. I've never seen one before.
Yes Lionel started using these but also used plywood portals ( as on this one for the other side of the tunnel.
Right, weren't those portals new in 57 with Super O track? it was a big deal! 
Surprised the Stout's display only sold for $2200 plus fees as I thought the price would be higher.
Dennis Holler posted:Right, weren't those portals new in 57 with Super O track? it was a big deal!
Right you are. Issued in the late 50s and eventually replaced by the familiar to us now versions with "Lionel" on the top.
https://www.tandem-associates....rains_920-02_acc.htm
samparfitt posted:Surprised the Stout's display only sold for $2200 plus fees as I thought the price would be higher.
I’m sure shipping issue was a factor luckily stouts is only an hour or so from where I live
Two dealer displays in a month! At that rate your gonna need to move that Bugeye and Jag out of your garage shop!
yep! It's full alright....
Almost looks like "Horder Status" [No disrespect, but for many in the outside world including the O.P. of this thread....
https://ogrforum.com/...ill-never-understand ]
Might want to Tidy up A bit 
I know I shouldn't talk as I am JUST AS GUILTY!
Hoarding implies disorganized senseless accumulation. I know where all of this is when I got it and 90% of these are NOT duplicates. I document nuances of the items for my own study. And this is not the repair area for trains or the restoration shop for the displays and cars... I only sleep about 5 hours a night
Hoarding implies disorganized senseless accumulation. I know where all of this is when I got it and 90% of these are NOT duplicates. I document nuances of the items for my own study. And this is not the repair area for trains or the restoration shop for the displays and cars... I only sleep about 5 hours a night
Clearly the person who wrote about hoarding has no idea about what it is.
Well, I don't think your shop looks anything like a hoarder's joint! It looks totally like play-land to me, and I like it!!!
On another issue, I cannot believe the progress you have made on the previous display (sorry, I forgot the number, but it was the e-bay display). Absolutely impressive!
Thanks it is a labor of love and I have all of the supplies to repair since I repro a lot of stuff as well. Wiring is almost done and getting ready to restore the control panel
Looking great Rick
Steve
So much progress so quickly!
Am interested in seeing how you will attach the control panel piece to the main board.
johnstrains posted:So much progress so quickly!
Am interested in seeing how you will attach the control panel piece to the main board.
It bolts to the side with 2 carriage bolts. Finished wiring last night and now will restore control panel
Bundles of wires through moles medial to bolt. 2 wires to left are incorrect and likely added after original wires to upper loop broke. I have restored wiring to original routing and will post schematic for it . Also you can see a hole on the top of the board, the panel was attached vertically on top for shipping so have to have extra wire to allow this movement 
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Rick,
Interested in the specific material you used to rebuild the mountain. It does not look like the felt from the 920 scenic set.
Also did you use the fish glue technique to harden the material?
Thanks for sharing the rebuild process!
Paul
Nice! Thanks for the explanation and clear pictures.
Yes, I remember how most of the Dealer Display assembly instructions started off with the first step: "remove the control panel and attach it to its proper location. " Or something along those lines.
I’m just glad I didn’t head over to Stout’s with the expectation of bidding on and winning that layout!
It’s great Rick does this, we get to see stuff we otherwise wouldn’t. I appreciate that.
PWTrains posted:Rick,
Interested in the specific material you used to rebuild the mountain. It does not look like the felt from the 920 scenic set.
Also did you use the fish glue technique to harden the material?
Thanks for sharing the rebuild process!
Paul
I contemplated using original felt but opted to get more readily available modern. It is actually close to original color (a little darker grey) it just appears very dark in the shots were it was dipped in and soaked up the hide (fish)glue. Takes a couple of days to harden then I use milk based casein paint as done original and this give earth tones. Dries to a hard shell and shrinks as well (normal) just like original
Dennis Holler posted:I’m just glad I didn’t head over to Stout’s with the expectation of bidding on and winning that layout!
It’s great Rick does this, we get to see stuff we otherwise wouldn’t. I appreciate that.
I wasn’t bidding much more than that because anymore the fees and taxes kill you. I remember when Greg started there was no buyers premium....ah the good old days!
Jagrick posted:PWTrains posted:Rick,
Interested in the specific material you used to rebuild the mountain. It does not look like the felt from the 920 scenic set.
Also did you use the fish glue technique to harden the material?
Thanks for sharing the rebuild process!
Paul
I contemplated using original felt but opted to get more readily available modern. It is actually close to original color (a little darker grey) it just appears very dark in the shots were it was dipped in and soaked up the hide (fish)glue. Takes a couple of days to harden then I use milk based casein paint as done original and this give earth tones. Dries to a hard shell and shrinks as well (normal) just like original
Dennis Holler posted:I’m just glad I didn’t head over to Stout’s with the expectation of bidding on and winning that layout!
It’s great Rick does this, we get to see stuff we otherwise wouldn’t. I appreciate that.
I wasn’t bidding much more than that because anymore the fees and taxes kill you. I remember when Greg started there was no buyers premium....ah the good old days!
This is the can of hide glue flakes I mix with equal parts of water and place in crock pot and heat to 140 degrees F. Dip felt in and wrong it out so not soaking wet and apply over form and shape and staple edges down
Dennis Holler posted:I’m just glad I didn’t head over to Stout’s with the expectation of bidding on and winning that layout!
It’s great Rick does this, we get to see stuff we otherwise wouldn’t. I appreciate that.
You’ll have to come down some time Dennis and we can talk and play trains!!
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D224 must have spent some time in a very hot environment or was subjected to the random “laser”. Very focal heat signature on some items but not on others. Felt mountain will be more of a challenge than originally thought but we will see what can be done to keep as original. Looking forward to cleaning tracks and running some trains through it
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I'll take you up on that sometime Rick, but I'm thinking we may also have to talk some cars also
Absolutely
Looking at the construction of the mountain on the 1958D224 shows how it changed over the years. On the 1952 D62 they used a wire frame to support the felt and on the 1958 they basically treated the felt as a tent, suspending it on three tent poles and tacked to the ends. Faster construction but inherently weaker. I may have to use the Lionel scenery felt to reproduce this to keep it original
The heat distortion is reminiscent of the sort of thing one might expect by being too close to a fire - perhaps the layout was stored in a building/room in close proximity to a fire in another building/room.
Still finishing up d62 but strip mined the mountain on the d224. The felt in the 920 scenerey set is too small but I found some 100% wool felt 2mm thick that should suffice also taking opportunity to reattach portals and “tent poles” to support the felt with nail and glue. Cleaning track and will test run set up before recovering
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I will compare in-depth the two Maine construction differences between the early and late tunnels of lionel. The early Postwar tunnels were made with chicken wire/hardware wire for support. The same type of felt was used but these tunnels were much more durable and resistant to crashing. They were also quite fanciful in their coloring
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Late postwar (1957) still usedfeltbut instead of wire under frame they used 2x1 scraps as tent pole and Draper heavy brown paper for under support and the laid the glue soaked felt over that. These tunnels are prone to collapse as the paper and then felt will deteriorate in anything less than optimum storage. Also Lionel decorated these with more realistic earth tones and grass 
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Rick,
Those are wonderful! Thanks for sharing!
George
