New Issues: Lionel Legacy Post War Scale NYC F3 ABA

Realized I should have posted in the TMCC a Legacy forum. Perhaps that’s why I have not received a single response. 

If a moderator would be so kind and move it there I would appreciate it. 

Thanks in advance. 

Mike 

Mike; Just a thought , but, when you built your "Train", did you remember to turn the trailing unpowered "A" unit in the 'reverse' direction?

D&H 65, Yes it is  

I found an earlier thread I posted with the same questions and it appears that this is the same issue. It appears the only way to get coupler sounds from the rear A unit and the green classification lights to change to red marker lights is to program the same ID for all three units. The down side to that is that the powered B unit’s coupler also opens which separates it from the non-powered A unit. 

Mike

Yes this was a problem with this vintafe F3s.  I have the SF version and they function the same.  This has been corrected since then.

MARTYE,

It's good to know that I'm not missing something or losing my mind (some might disagree). It is a bit annoying but not enough to lose sleep over. It's not like I do a whole lot of uncoupling anyway. I'll just program the Postwar Scale NYC F3's the same way I did the Burlington F3's, one ID number.

Thanks again and be well.

Mike

It's seems logical to me that this may work.  Try programming the two end units, the powered and nonpowered As, as one engine number, and the B as a different engine number, build the lashup with two engine numbers, and address the consist as the train number.  It seems to me this is how I did it when I had a set of PWC Wabash F3s.  It's worth a try anyway.

Well, I reprogrammed all the units with the same ID, just as I did with the Burlington set.

Now the two A units act the same. In forward both have green class lights and the headlights are on. In reverse the red marker lights are on both and the headlights turn off. When I fire the front couplers both couplers respond. When I fire the rear coupler nothing happens on the non-powered A but the powered B coupler fires as it should.  All sounds work. I’ve reprogrammed and reset both multiple times with the rest button on the Cab2 and that doesn’t clear it. I’ve tried a reset using the procedure in the manual too and that didn’t work either. 

I also reloaded the orange module just for the heck of it. The  Cab2 screen doesn’t have Rule 17 lighting, should it? 

Does anyone have the master reset key sequence? Maybe this will work  

Any help is appreciated!

Mike

William 1 posted:

It's seems logical to me that this may work.  Try programming the two end units, the powered and nonpowered As, as one engine number, and the B as a different engine number, build the lashup with two engine numbers, and address the consist as the train number.  It seems to me this is how I did it when I had a set of PWC Wabash F3s.  It's worth a try anyway.

Tried this but the Cab2 gives an error message that two units have the ID. The instructions note to use unique IDs. 

Thanks anyway. 

Mike 

How can programming all three units with one id work, but the Cab2 gives you an error message when you program two as the same id?

These vintage A units were both wired as forward A's if memory serves me correctly and were meant to be in a TR to work correctly.  Although the marker lights never worked correctly in a MU (lashup).  This would explain the operation as you are experiencing when both A units have the same ID.  I suspect you could open up the dummy A and move the coupler to the rear connector but I'm not sure about the marker lights.  I imagine this can be done but I don't have the specifics how they are wired.  Perhaps GRJ or Alex can answer.

Again I don't think other than when addressed as ENG the marker lights worked correctly.  At least as far as I can remember.

Here are a few other threads with the same issue.Unfortunately it looks like your units, as are mine, were made this way.

Thread 1

Thread 2

Thread 3

The 6-34511 Set is the same way as these. 

Martye and Matt, thanks. 

Martye, thanks for the links to the other threads. I’m in thread #3 regarding the Burlington ABA however those will work properly when assigned the same ID except for the powered B coupler firing. 

I agree, your set and mine are wired the same so the only way you can do it is to create a Train. 

I checked with Mike R and he confirmed that what I’m getting in both instances is how they work. 

Time to reprogram them as a lash up and move on. 

Thanks for your help. 

Mike

I replaced the coupler on my powered B (Burlington) with a scale steam engine coupler so its fixed. 

MrMoe50 posted:

How can programming all three units with one id work, but the Cab2 gives you an error message when you program two as the same id?

 

When building a Train (TR) aka lash-up, the instructions specifically state to give each unit unique ID numbers and to enter them into the Cab 2 as separate units. If the lead unit and the trailing unit or any units have the same ID number when building a Train you will get an error message.

When assigning a new ID number to an engine you can program each unit with the same ID number.

Mike

ezmike posted:

MrMoe50 posted:

How can programming all three units with one id work, but the Cab2 gives you an error message when you program two as the same id?

 

When building a Train (TR) aka lash-up, the instructions specifically state to give each unit unique ID numbers and to enter them into the Cab 2 as separate units. If the lead unit and the trailing unit or any units have the same ID number when building a Train you will get an error message.

When assigning a new ID number to an engine you can program each unit with the same ID number.

Mike

Ahh, now I get it.  I thought the things you were trying were: building a TR with 3 unique id’s, or running all together with the same id.  I didn’t understand that you were trying to build the TR with 2 of the engines having the same id.  I know that won’t work.

Thanks for clarifying.

Gary