graz posted:Just adding another vote for the "PENNSYLVANIA" high-sided tender.
Ditto.
I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
where is the weathering done on the one lionel is offering. in china at the factory or in us at lionel facility.
tangoman posted:where is the weathering done on the one lionel is offering. in china at the factory or in us at lionel facility.
Harry Hieke is in the US. I imagine they get shipped to him. Each one will be unique.
Arthur posted:I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
I like the high sided tender much better so I'm hoping they remove the "Lines" If not I'll still take it with the Lines. I actually never heard of it before this engine appeared.. Anyone know when and how far west PRR engines with Lines tenders ran?
joe
Harry is in NJ, and he hand weathers each one.
JC642 posted:Arthur posted:I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
I like the high sided tender much better so I'm hoping they remove the "Lines" If not I'll still take it with the Lines. I actually never heard of it before this engine appeared.. Anyone know when and how far west PRR engines with Lines tenders ran?
joe
The PRR went to St. Louis. The Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh and Erie, or Pennsylvania Lines West, became part of the Pennsylvania Railroad (actually more complicated then that) in 1920. "Pennsylvania Lines" on the tenders was replaced with "Pennsylvania" at that time.
As a side note, all 273 original built H10 engines were built for Lines West and had the high sided tender and "Pennsylvania Lines" when built between 1913 and 1916. Many H8 and H9 engines were rebuilt into H10s and used by the lines east of Pittsburgh
From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Thanks Dave!
While not my road and therefore not on my list, I hope these sell really well for Lionel. It would be great to port the features (e.g., swinging bell) and price point to other steamers sized to work on most everyone's layout. I would love to see a similar effort on a small ATSF or NKP steamer. I hope everyone who orders it enjoys what looks like to be a fantastic engine.
Dave Olson posted:From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Hmmmm.....maybe I'll get the short tender and heap the **** out of the coal pile with some extra coal and consider the tall tender version for a double header in a year or so.
RickO posted
Like that foot board pilot
Dave Olson posted:From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Lots of roads purchased hand-me-down ex-PRR H10s, including the Interstate - tons of potential for more road names:
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Very excited to see whistle steam and swinging bell! It’s a great deal for the money. I will probably order the regular prr 1228 with the flat tender
When’s the date it’s suppose to be out. I haven’t pre ordered yet.
Blue Streak posted:
Yes
Dave -
On page 14 of the catalog, B (6-84949) is listed as Pennsylvania #8093. The accompanying picture depicts Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines #6072. FWIW, Lionel previously issued "H-class" PRSL #6072 as 6-38037 in the 2001 Volume 2 catalog. Even with the new model being Legacy, would prefer not to duplicate a previously used road number for PRSL which had plenty of other "H-class" locomotives whose numbers have not yet been used.
So, what is 6-84949 going to be? And if it is PRSL, can the road number be changed?
Peter Gentieu
For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
I am definitely getting one of these now with the swinging bell. I think these will actually sell out as it is one of the lower priced scale legacy engines and loaded with features.
I want to get the Reading-Seashore Lines one, but the picture and description in catalog do not match (its the only one that doesn't match). The name and road number on picture do not match the description.
Is the picture wrong or the description. I do not want to order that one if it won't be the Reading-Seashore line. I would get one of the other road numbers instead.
Dave, can you comment if there will be a Reading-Seashore version?
The description for B is wrong. The image is right.
6-84949 PRSL #6072
Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.
Dave, are you going over to China to supervise the QC before these ship. 
So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype. It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.
Dave Olson posted:The description for B is wrong. The image is right.
6-84949 PRSL #6072
Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.
Dave - Thank you!!!! I appreciate your fast response. Kudos to Lionel for making PRSL models. PRSL did have two different Consolidation locomotives numbered 6072 (although not simultaneously) so it is, in a way, like the prototype. And while the current model has the earlier style lettering (sans serif), the previous model had the later Clarendon lettering so they do represent two different eras.
This is a good source of PRR steam diagrams:
http://prr.railfan.net/diagram...te&sz=sm&fr=
Maybe someone can compare Lionel's last 'H9' or one of the E6s against the correct diagram.
Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
SantaFe158 posted:For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI. I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better. Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI.. BTW, a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features. My dealer had it well under $600. Let's hope it arrives defect free..
joe
JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.
What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
Bob posted:The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype. It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.
Agreed, but I had not notice it being mentioned and it is about the first thing you see (or I notice) when looking at the loco. I guess I was just surprised it had not been mentioned when other smaller or less noticeable details were mentioned. That's all.
Again, I am happy Lionel made it, I may buy one if I decide I can stomach the coins required. If not, I'll live with the older Lionel H9 I just bought from a fellow forum member for $75 (it is boardless now).
JC642 posted:Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
I'm thinking you could alter the cowcatcher a lot easier than changing that cast on sand dome.. I think there was a nicely built CLW or Saginaw 2-8-0 one the bay a month or so back that only went for $300 or so. I know those aren't perfect either. I have most of one that I need to build some day too.
I suppose my view is that it is not so much that all details are perfect, but are the incorrect details that you can not stomach perfect.
Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?
Premier H10
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JC642 posted:Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
I do not think there is anything fictitious about the cowcatcher since these engines had the cowcatcher at least into the mid-1920s or later. I think the cowcatcher is very appropriate on the Lines West engine, and on the PRR engines if you model pre-1930s. I'm pretty sure all 273 original H10 tenders were high sided, but many of the H10s that were rebuilt from H8/H9 engines kept their original low sided tenders.
My issue is I model the late 1940s and I have not seen any pictures of an H8/H9/H10 taken after the beginning of WWII where the engine had a cow catcher. Now that Dave and company have heard our concerns, I think I'm going to wait for the next release. Maybe they will go back to calling it an H9 with an H9 cab number, have a PRR engine with a high side tender, and replace the cow catcher with foot boards. I could live with a low side tender, especially if they call it an H9, but really want those foot boards.
Some pictures of my MTH PRR H10 #7676 with PS2. An older model - just like its owner.
MELGAR
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Paul Kallus posted:Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?
Premier H10
All of these issues relative to H10 configurations have been brought up, including:
- wheel spacing
- wheel diameter
- dome location
- snifter valve
- pneumatic bell clapper
- incorrect engine numbers
- earlier cowcatcher, and on and on.....
Lionel is not going to change anything as result of the fact that the engine has been marketed as an H10.....period. If they at least were willing to change their stance, despite marketing, and call it an H9 it would be somewhat more correct but that is not going to happen. Maybe next time around marketing might show some deference to engineering......
Nicks Trains posted:JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
I would like to know this as well.
HiawathaRunner posted:Nicks Trains posted:JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
I would like to know this as well.
Add me to the list
JC642 posted:SantaFe158 posted:For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI. I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better. Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI.. BTW, a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features. My dealer had it well under $600. Let's hope it arrives defect free..
joe
I believe most railroads ran 2-8-0's at one time or another. The DT&I became part of the PRR system after Henry Ford sold it in 1929, so after that point they ran many PRR locomotive types with the DT&I herald on the tender, the 2-8-0 pictured above being one of them.
Anyone know the length of this engine?
