Lionel Ryan & Dave Show - 2022 Big Book - 1/14/22

@Dave Olson

BigJim stated the below on the catalog post. Is 1210 going to be as stat d with the multiple bearing crossheads?

"Note that the #1210 is shown with "multiple Bearing Crossheads. Only engines 1200 - 1209 had the multiple bearing crossheads. 1210 should have the alligator crossheads."

Also Dave, I have no idea where or what that is on the locomotive.

Dave, please let us know if the Cab1/TMCC Base can be interfaced to the Base3 like it can with the Legacy Base.

Pete

Can we get a link to the show

https://youtu.be/7FlplH9qA7w

Dave,

Can / will there be support for TR address with more than 2 digits?

@DaveSlie posted:

Dave,

Can / will there be support for TR address with more than 2 digits?

Using the Cab3 App, that's certainly the goal!

Dave;

I just watched the show - lots of interesting stuff for sure. The Cab3 definitely looks interesting, but I didn’t get a definitive answer to one major question... Will the Cab3 or the app allow me to have ID’s over #99 for any engines or sound cars/crane cars, etc. that I currently have – I am pretty much out of usable ID’s???

Thanks.

@Apples55 posted:

Dave;

I just watched the show - lots of interesting stuff for sure. The Cab3 definitely looks interesting, but I didn’t get a definitive answer to one major question... Will the Cab3 or the app allow me to have ID’s over #99 for any engines or sound cars/crane cars, etc. that I currently have – I am pretty much out of usable ID’s???

Thanks.

No. Classic TMCC and modern Legacy engines are absolutely limited to 2 digit addressing. We spent a good amount of time investigating options to make 4-digit addressing available retroactively, and it simply cannot be done. Not giving up there, we decided to put effort into a new Legacy radio concept that is going to be in the Class A and other future engines.

I know it's not the answer we all want, myself included. I have dozens of SP engines in my collection, and so wish I could use 4-digits on them.

Sometimes we have to live with the limitations of older technology and press forward with new development.

Thanks so much for the quick reply, Dave. You’re right... not what I was hoping for - guess I’ll have to consider eliminating some of the rarely used items in my current Cab2 to add some items I haven’t been able to add (mostly various sound cars).

Thanks again.

Thanks - enjoyed the show!

Dave,

Please enable us to map video game controllers to the CAB 3 app. That would add a whole 'nother level of playability to our layouts and iOS and Android already have some controller functionality.

Think about it. Its video games but in real life. Gen Z will be so into it ahha.

Getting conflicting inputs.  Is the A5 from the old K-Line tooling or MTH tooling?  Thanks.

@CAPPilot posted:

Getting conflicting inputs.  Is the A5 from the old K-Line tooling or MTH tooling?  Thanks.

The illustration shows the K-Line/Lionchief engine with added valve gear.

Pete

@Norton posted:

The illustration shows the K-Line/Lionchief engine with added valve gear.

Pete

Rats.  Added value gear is not enough for me to buy another one.  Thanks.

Is the tender lettering on the TAG  Berkshire going to be corrected to get rid of the spacing in the lettering?

@Dave Olson

Thanks for the video explaining the products in the new catalog. I look forward to future Demos with Dave episodes explaining more of the Base3 features. I really appreciate the future ability to address engines with 4 digits.

Will the Class As have Kadee mounts? I know they are going to have the Force Coupler, just wondering if that setup would be adaptable to a scale coupler.

Dave,

Two Base 3 questions.

• We (The NJ Hi-Railers) tap the ground signal from the Legacy Base DB9 connector.  Will there be any way to do this for the Base 3?  We take that ground and run it around the layout to areas that a have a weak TMCC signal.
• Can the Base3 connect to our own WiFi so that people using the CAB3 app can connect from anywhere in out quite large (250 x 100) trainroom.   We have an MTH TIU/WIU config where we use the ethernet port of the WIUs to connect to our house network.  Any chance there's a hidden ethenet port of the Base3? 

Thanks Chris

I was hoping for the A5 from MTH tooling as well. Hopefully they have it and that will come later!

Was hoping there’d be more scale rolling stock to go with the Class A or a VisionLine set. Any plans for that in the future?

@Dave Olson

If I can do it, Lionel can! Check this out, I am controlling my Lionel Switcher with an XBOX controller!

IT's so much fun. Please consider this as a possibility with the CAB-3

How I did it - On Apple Silicone Mac Mini:

Liocnhief app - assigned mouse controls to Xbox controller using "Enjoyable" program.

Dave (or anyone)

Does the Base3 improve the range of the Blue Tooth so that it doesn't drop out after 20-25' which can be problematic on large layouts, especially public displays?

Peter

@Dave Olson

I am excited about the Base3 and CAB3 app. I have a few questions...

1. Will the CAB3 app have an LCS tab?
2. Do my existing LCS devices have the capability of being assigned an address greater than four digits? If yes...
3. In the future could I use the Base3 and CAB3 to assign four digit address to LCS controlled blocks, accessories, etc?
4. I use the Legacy System Utility and the LCS WiFi Communication Monitor programs on my PC,  I use an iPad to control LCS devices and now I will use my Android phone. Will the redemption code you referenced in the video allow me to connect each of these devices or will I be forced to buy separate codes beyond the first device?

Thanks very much! I look forward to the development of this new tech!

@Chris Lord posted:

Dave,

Two Base 3 questions.

• We (The NJ Hi-Railers) tap the ground signal from the Legacy Base DB9 connector.  Will there be any way to do this for the Base 3?  We take that ground and run it around the layout to areas that a have a weak TMCC signal.
• Can the Base3 connect to our own WiFi so that people using the CAB3 app can connect from anywhere in out quite large (250 x 100) trainroom.   We have an MTH TIU/WIU config where we use the ethernet port of the WIUs to connect to our house network.  Any chance there's a hidden ethenet port of the Base3?

Thanks Chris

Great Questions here!  Especially the ground signal question.

I notice that the IRV2 was not in the catalogue and I saw a comment that stated "IRV2 was being discontinued"?  That would be a major shame.  Please confirm the commitment (or not) to the IRV2.

@Putnam Division posted:

Dave (or anyone)

Does the Base3 improve the range of the Blue Tooth so that it doesn't drop out after 20-25' which can be problematic on large layouts, especially public displays?

Peter

Yes, Dave has stated as much

@LionelAG posted:

Great Questions here!  Especially the ground signal question.

I notice that the IRV2 was not in the catalogue and I saw a comment that stated "IRV2 was being discontinued"?  That would be a major shame.  Please confirm the commitment (or not) to the IRV2.

I’m going to ask @Dave Olson why when I see them in two weeks.

@superwarp1 posted:

I’m going to ask @Dave Olson why when I see them in two weeks.

On the Earth Ground access, does Lionel still intend to use the same power box at the plug as the Legacy Base?  If so, there are solutions that exist that pull an earth ground directly off that power feed.  Clarification from Dave would be great.

@LionelAG posted:

On the Earth Ground access, does Lionel still intend to use the same power box at the plug as the Legacy Base?  If so, there are solutions that exist that pull an earth ground directly off that power feed.  Clarification from Dave would be great.

The cab3 has a three prong power cord.  No grounded wall wart

@LionelAG posted:

Great Questions here!  Especially the ground signal question.

I notice that the IRV2 was not in the catalogue and I saw a comment that stated "IRV2 was being discontinued"?  That would be a major shame.  Please confirm the commitment (or not) to the IRV2.

I'm a bit disappointed in the IRV2's demise as well.

Sorry to be a stickler on the LCS components but a couple other questions for Dave:

* Was anything done to fix common ground on the AMC2?  https://ogrforum.com/...9#157265374455197589

* Would love to see an LCS PDI "3-4 Port Hub" that could be available for non-Base3 customers.  Much like the Base3 has.

@Dave Olson - does you plan on having all locomotive features be accessable from the cab-2 moving forward (with the exception of the 4 digit address) If so, for how long? $500 for a cab3 is not cheap for those who have already invested in a cab-2 system. I'd prefer my cab-2 to not become obsolete.

Additionally, now the system's performance as a whole is dependent on the phone - before I upgraded to an iPhone12 recently, my iPhone6 was having performance and battery issues. I don't want to deal with that while running my trains. Would you be open to developing a "add-on" cab3 remote to compliment the system?

Will new Legacy engines still have a 9-digit address like the current system?

Would you be open to having a Q&A session specific to the cab3 in the near future? 

The Lionel A5 is a bit disappointing from a separately applied detail standpoint. I was hoping that Lionel acquired the MTH tooling for that model, but it remains to be seen at best. If not, it would be nice if some of the details from the B6sb could be adapted to this model so that it is more consistent with the MTH model and Lionel's own B6sb. Here are some images to help illustrate my point.

First, here is Lionel's catalog image for their latest A5:

Here is the MTH Premier model:

Here is the Lionel B6sb showing the detail parts that could be added possibly:

@Dave Olson What do you think? It sure would be a nicer model with some more detail parts. I would be willing to pay more for them as well. Thanks for all you guys do!

Randy

@superwarp1 posted:

Yes, Dave has stated as much

Thanks, Gary

Peter

@Dave Olson- how about another run of the CSX First Responder #911 ES44AC locomotive to go along with the new First Responder Caboose and Led Flag Box Car? Some how I missed buying one in 2020! Thank You

@Norm Charbonneau posted:

Will the Class As have Kadee mounts? I know they are going to have the Force Coupler, just wondering if that setup would be adaptable to a scale coupler.

Yup.

@Chris Lord posted:

Dave,

Two Base 3 questions.

• We (The NJ Hi-Railers) tap the ground signal from the Legacy Base DB9 connector.  Will there be any way to do this for the Base 3?  We take that ground and run it around the layout to areas that a have a weak TMCC signal.
• Can the Base3 connect to our own WiFi so that people using the CAB3 app can connect from anywhere in out quite large (250 x 100) trainroom.   We have an MTH TIU/WIU config where we use the ethernet port of the WIUs to connect to our house network.  Any chance there's a hidden ethenet port of the Base3?

Thanks Chris

• Tap into the ground on the USB connection. Same result. Or even one of the PDI connectors. All the same ground.
• Yes, Base3 has WPS. The Cab3 APP will also have a Wi-Fi configuration menu if you don't want to use WPS. There will be no ethernet port.

@NHVRYGray posted:

Is the tender lettering on the TAG  Berkshire going to be corrected to get rid of the spacing in the lettering?

Forwarded comment to Ryan.

@T4TT posted:

@Dave Olson

I am excited about the Base3 and CAB3 app. I have a few questions...

1. Will the CAB3 app have an LCS tab?
2. Do my existing LCS devices have the capability of being assigned an address greater than four digits? If yes...
3. In the future could I use the Base3 and CAB3 to assign four digit address to LCS controlled blocks, accessories, etc?
4. I use the Legacy System Utility and the LCS WiFi Communication Monitor programs on my PC,  I use an iPad to control LCS devices and now I will use my Android phone. Will the redemption code you referenced in the video allow me to connect each of these devices or will I be forced to buy separate codes beyond the first device?

Thanks very much! I look forward to the development of this new tech!

1. Not right away, but I love the idea. The Base3 and Cab3 give us the ability to do so many cool things in the future.
2. Nothing existing will get 4-digit addressing.
3. Same as 2.
4. This is still TBD. I would like to see the code apply to more than 1 device, but don't yet quote me on that.

@LionelAG posted:

Sorry to be a stickler on the LCS components but a couple other questions for Dave:

* Was anything done to fix common ground on the AMC2?  https://ogrforum.com/...9#157265374455197589

* Would love to see an LCS PDI "3-4 Port Hub" that could be available for non-Base3 customers.  Much like the Base3 has.

• That is still on my to-do list. I received the email from the call center, I just haven't had time to work on it.
• Having more than 1 PDI port requires significant I/O from the main processor. The Base3 has a very capable processor to be able to control everything connected to it. It wouldn't really be feasible to make a multi-port unit separate sale.

Thanks @Dave Olson

In the future, I think/hope the Base3 and Cab3 app will provide the ability to address more engines, blocks, accessoires, etc. But I am confused if all of my current/existing LCS devices do not have the capability of being addressed with more than two digits how would I be able to capitalize on the increased processing power of the Base3 without replacing all of my LCS devices? I get that my current Legacy engines can't be addressed with 4 digits, but if that limitation extends to my current LCS devices I am struggling to see how the Base 3/Cab3 app will help those of us that are out of addresses.

Can the end user customize the Cab3 app to create breakout menus/tabs? For example if I want to assign only trains to the TR menu can I create a TRACK menu for all of my blocks? That would allow me an additional 99 two digit addresses. I am just trying to figure out how to gain access to more addresses. I love Legacy and my Cab2, to me the ceiling on the number of addresses is its only weakness (the obsolescence of its components not withstanding).

Keep up the great work.

thanks!

@Norton posted:

Dave, please let us know if the Cab1/TMCC Base can be interfaced to the Base3 like it can with the Legacy Base.

Pete

THIS is what I really want to know as well.  @Dave Olson  , can you shed some light on this?

@Brian DeFazio posted:

THIS is what I really want to know as well.  @Dave Olson  , can you shed some light on this?

It was never a design goal to have it compatible, but since there appears to be interest we'll look into it.

It would need a SER2 and maybe a null modem. We'll know more after we test.

@Dave Olson posted:

It was never a design goal to have it compatible, but since there appears to be interest we'll look into it.

It would need a SER2 and maybe a null modem. We'll know more after we test.

Thank you Dave for looking into this. I know many who continue to use their Cab1s even with a full Legacy 990 and it would save having to replace it with a Cab1L for essentially the same capability as far as running trains is concerned.

Pete