Mispronunciations

No sense in worrying about any of it! The millennials  will soon have it all translated into Texteez! OMG! LOL!

Simon

Big Jim posted:

rattler21 posted:

How did JFK get Cuber out of Cuba?  John in Lansing, ILL

The same way NBCSN's Leigh Diffey got Chiner out of China and NFL announcers get Jagwires out of Jaguar!

I watch a lot of BBC and note that the Brits pronounce Jaguar like "JAG-you-are". Common American pronunciation seems to be "JAG-wahr"

sxe60 posted:

ratpak posted:

 

Lawn Guylynn.

Lawn doesn't end with a g and  Guylynn doesn't end with a d

 

rat

 

 

Wonder how many realize you're quoting Brooklynese for Long Island?

Most New Yorkers (myself included, if I don't make a conscious effort to clearly enunciate my words) drop terminal consonants all together. Thus you get "a glass a watah" or a "hamburgah".  

The most common pronunciation I ever heard is all run together as in  "lawngilynn", but with the "g" in the middle barely sounded out.

In my experience, "LawnGuylynnD" was almost exclusively used by my Jewish friends and neighbors. They tended to emphasize all consonants when speaking. Note that the terminal D is also stressed.

KOOLjock1 posted:

When trains traverse varying regions, the pronunciations vary too.  How many ways are there to say "Kanawha"?  Only one.  But you almost have to be from there to know.  

Here in New England we have the Berkshire Mountains.  People from other parts of the country say "Berk-ShIre"... like Hobbits live there.  But it's pronounced: "BERKshear"  or "BERKshur".  NEVER "Berk-ShIre".

There's a railroad in the Midwest that was called the Pere Marquette.  I recently heard it called the Pierre Marquette!  WHAT?!

Pere Marquette was named for the French Jesuit missionary "Father Jacques Marquette".  There's no "Pierre" in there.  Anywhere.

"Pere" is pronounced like the fruit: "pear".

Jon  

I love the Notch 6 Podcast but he is guilty of this in almost every episode.  It drives me crazy. 

Nick Chillianis posted:

Big Jim posted:

rattler21 posted:

How did JFK get Cuber out of Cuba?  John in Lansing, ILL

The same way NBCSN's Leigh Diffey got Chiner out of China and NFL announcers get Jagwires out of Jaguar!

I watch a lot of BBC and note that the Brits pronounce Jaguar like "JAG-you-are". Common American pronunciation seems to be "JAG-wahr"

Brian Redman will say Jag-you-wahr, 95% of US sports announcers say Jag-wire. The Brits and Aussies seem to put the "r" on words ending in "a".

As for Juniata, my friend that lived there pronounced it Joo-nee-at-ah.

A good reason why locations and directions were/are spelled out when train orders were given out over the radio.  Plus the one receiving the orders have to repeat the order back to make sure the crew got it right.  Guess the DS and tower ops did the same using CW and telephone.

That's because Juniata is based off of an American Indian name and not a Latin based name... no silent J

Jag - that's the way we say it here in the motor city... non of the   jag - u - lar or shag - wire  stuff

Yeah Pierre is a buddy of mine but not the railroad that came through Plymouth Michigan when I was a kid...

Farmer Bill, you're the first to pronounce Leicester properly!  It is "Lester".

John

Steam Crazy posted:

Farmer Bill, you're the first to pronounce Leicester properly!  It is "Lester".

John

Good to know. I would have pronounced it "Lie-chester."

juniata guy posted:

Not long after the breakup up of Conrail; I can recollect a conversation with a former NS account manager who referred to the “Juanita” shops in Altoona.  Of course; it’s spelled Juniata and pronounced “joo-nee-atta.

In a similar vein and relevant to this topic only because it involved a railroad man; I had several Canadian Pacific people in Carlsbad, NM for a potash mine visit.  While having dinner that evening; the waitress asked if we wanted dessert.  One of the guys from Montreal said he’d like a piece of (and I’m spelling this phonetically) - peecan pie.  The waitress looked at him and said “huh”?  He repeated “a piece of peecan pie please”.  She said “hold on” and came back with two other waitresses; asking him to repeat his order for their benefit.  When he did; all three started laughing and our waitress told him “hon; around here it’s pronounced (again phoenetically) - peekahn.”

Curt

Southerners haven't come to a consensus about pecan pie depending on where you are from. The further south, it is peecan, closer to VA, it becomes peekahn. North Carolina, where I live, is split. I call it peecan, as they do in the east, but the piedmont and west prefer peekahn. Drives my wife crazy when I keep pronouncing it my way.

Another interesting NC town - Bahama, outside Durham. It is pronounced ba hame a. 

We say “puh-con” as in puhcon pie with budder puhcon eyes cream.

For help in Leicester, refer to the Monty Python cheese shop sketch - Red Leicester is mentioned (it's the first one Cleese asks for).

David

Everybody here says certain words in a way they were taught and the culture they grew up in. 

 I don't  care how I say a word, it may be correct or it may not but if your offended again I don't care, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Lets talk about trains not how somebody mispronounced a word.

Dave

Dave:

"Lets talk about trains not how somebody mispronounced a word."

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As for me, I do like to know how to regionally pronounce a name within a region I'm interested in. So, there has been some helpful stuff herein.

Obviously, one's mileage may vary.

Andre

Let us not overlook the Rapid City, Pierre and Eastern.  The second city, which is also the South Dakota state capital, is pronounced "peer." The RCP&E also passes through the town of Belle Fourche, which is pronounced "bell foosh." Let us just observe that French pronunciations are rarely heard in South Dakota although the spellings remain.

Bill of the Paha Sapa Lines RR posted:

 Let us just observe that French pronunciations are rarely heard in South Dakota although the spellings remain.

Sacre Bleu!

Monsewer Simon

Dave, I'm sorry if anything I posted offended you.  I thought this thread was one of the most "light-hearted" I have ever read.  Just folks poking some fun at regional differences in dialect, no ill will intended.  Like some other members, I also have found this thread interesting and I like to pronounce words the way the locals prefer.  I think it's a sign of respect.

Wish I could count the number of jabs people have taken at my Yankee accent.  Gotta go now, to "pahk the caa" in the garage.

John

When we moved from NYC to NJ when I was a kid, I noticed in NYC it was stop at a "red LIGHT", and in NJ it was a "RED light". Then we have "NEWark", NJ and "newARK" Delaware.

So much for my Ohgeeare contribution for today.

david1 posted:

Everybody here says certain words in a way they were taught and the culture they grew up in. 

 I don't  care how I say a word, it may be correct or it may not but if your offended again I don't care, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Lets talk about trains not how somebody mispronounced a word.

Dave

Curmudgeon = cur·mudg·eon kərˈməjən/

Sorry, too easy.   All in fun guys.

 A proper Southern waitress once expressed, "A peeKahn is a delicious nut often baked into a pie.  A peeCan is what you keep under the bed for emergencies."

EBT Jim posted:

willygee posted:

Try "Juniata"..have to use google to pronounce correctly

I think it's pronounced like Deputy Barney Fife's squeeze up at the diner …. Juanita.

Nope, it is pronounced Joo-nee-at-uh.

FORMER OGR CEO - RETIRED posted:

EBT Jim posted:

willygee posted:

Try "Juniata"..have to use google to pronounce correctly

I think it's pronounced like Deputy Barney Fife's squeeze up at the diner …. Juanita.

Nope, it is pronounced Joo-nee-at-uh.

I'd put the n  in the first syllable.

Nick Chillianis posted:

Big Jim posted:

rattler21 posted:

How did JFK get Cuber out of Cuba?  John in Lansing, ILL

The same way NBCSN's Leigh Diffey got Chiner out of China and NFL announcers get Jagwires out of Jaguar!

I watch a lot of BBC and note that the Brits pronounce Jaguar like "JAG-you-are". Common American pronunciation seems to be "JAG-wahr"

We need to clear up the proper pronunciation of the NFL team in Jacksonville (2nd largest city in Georgia). The Jaguars is properly pronounced JAG’ - WIRES’ with strong accents on both syllables. If you have any doubts, visit Jacksonville and take a personal survey.

david1 posted:

Everybody here says certain words in a way they were taught and the culture they grew up in. 

 I don't  care how I say a word, it may be correct or it may not but if your offended again I don't care, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Lets talk about trains not how somebody mispronounced a word.

Dave

Actually, it is "you're" not "your". You're = you are.  Your = possessive pronoun such as "your book"

Steam Crazy posted:

Wish I could count the number of jabs people have taken at my Yankee accent. 

I've got all of you beat...born in NYC and lived there 'til I was 7, then lived in NJ until college. Spent rest of my life near Philly. People keep asking me "Where are you from?". 

Lank-caster is where people say they are going to see the horse and buggies.   The people who live around the Strasburg RR live in "Lancuster".  

Leb-a-non is a middle eastern country.  Leb-uh-nun is where the baloney comes from. 

Fun thread.  

C'mon Jersey folks!  Do you take the train into the city from Nork?   Do you live in south or norf Jersey?

Rule292 posted:

….. C'mon Jersey folks!  Do you take the train into the city from Nork?   Do you live in south or norf Jersey?

lol..... you nailed it.

Forty-five years ago, I took an intercity Greyhound bus from New York to Allentown, Pa for my first job interview. After seemingly stopping at every friggn’ gas station in Jersey I heard the bus driver call out that we were approaching what I heard to be ‘Easton’ Pennsylvania. Having been born and raised in ‘da Bronx, where the kind’s English is spoken, I thought that was an odd way to identify a locale, simply by its geographic place on a map. After all, is there a bus stop for ‘Southern California” or “Northern Illinois?”

Much to my surprise I looked out the window to see a sign that read “Welcome to E -A- S-T- O- N.” I had no clue there was a place called Easton. I suppose it was at that point that I realized there was an ‘r’ in ‘eastern’ and that the Pennsylvania Dutch tawked funny.  

None a yuins no how ta tawk!

Simon says: Oh no!

PS:

Lanc aster or Lan caster? How do them Brits say it? Is that what caused the war of the roses? Or was it York or Yawk?

Bottom line folks is that there are regional dialects all over America and each and every one of us, whether we're aware of it or not, has an accent. It's just that some accents are more recognizable and obvious to certain folks than others are.

sxe60 posted: 

Wonder how many realize you're quoting Brooklynese for Long Island?

 My Cousin Vinny

Traveling through North Carolina we never stopped in Fuquay-Varina since we didn't know how to pronounce it. 

TM Terry posted:

We need to clear up the proper pronunciation ofthe NFL team in Jacksonville (2nd largest city in Georgia). The Jaguars is properly pronounced JAG’ - WIRES’ with strong accents on both syllables. If you have any doubts, visit Jacksonville and take a personal survey.

Welp, if the folks in Jacksonville think they live in Georgia, then, they have no business pronouncing Jaguar at all! And neither do you!!! 

Big Jim posted:

TM Terry posted:

We need to clear up the proper pronunciation ofthe NFL team in Jacksonville (2nd largest city in Georgia). The Jaguars is properly pronounced JAG’ - WIRES’ with strong accents on both syllables. If you have any doubts, visit Jacksonville and take a personal survey.

Welp, if the folks in Jacksonville think they live in Georgia, then, they have no business pronouncing Jaguar at all! And neither do you!!! 

But I do live here and have for 67 years. Pretty much know the history and its roots. If we shouldn’t call them JAG’ - WIRES’ we’ll call them DUUUUVAL!

TM Terry posted:

Big Jim posted:

TM Terry posted:

We need to clear up the proper pronunciation ofthe NFL team in Jacksonville (2nd largest city in Georgia). The Jaguars is properly pronounced JAG’ - WIRES’ with strong accents on both syllables. If you have any doubts, visit Jacksonville and take a personal survey.

Welp, if the folks in Jacksonville think they live in Georgia, then, they have no business pronouncing Jaguar at all! And neither do you!!! 

But I do live here and have for 67 years. Pretty much know the history and its roots. If we shouldn’t call them JAG’ - WIRES’ we’ll call them DUUUUVAL!

The second largest city in Georgia is Columbus. But, since you live there, you knew that already...or do you really know where you live?

Big Jim posted:

TM Terry posted:

Big Jim posted:

TM Terry posted:

We need to clear up the proper pronunciation ofthe NFL team in Jacksonville (2nd largest city in Georgia). The Jaguars is properly pronounced JAG’ - WIRES’ with strong accents on both syllables. If you have any doubts, visit Jacksonville and take a personal survey.

Welp, if the folks in Jacksonville think they live in Georgia, then, they have no business pronouncing Jaguar at all! And neither do you!!! 

But I do live here and have for 67 years. Pretty much know the history and its roots. If we shouldn’t call them JAG’ - WIRES’ we’ll call them DUUUUVAL!

The second largest city in Georgia is Columbus. But, since you live there, you knew that already...or do you really know where you live?

Frankly, I find it disturbing that you relish in insulting the good rednecks of Jacksonville. DUUUVAL!

ogaugeguy posted:

Bottom line folks is that there are regional dialects all over America and each and every one of us, whether we're aware of it or not, has an accent. It's just that some accents are more recognizable and obvious to certain folks than others are.

Agree 100%.  However, back to the original post.  Berkshire is in reference to the Berkshire mountains, pronounced berk-sure.  If you want to find fault with the way they say it in New England, go ahead and say Berk-SHIRE in your own accent. 

However, Pere Marquette is NEVER "Pierre". 

That has nothing to do with an accent.  It's simply incorrect. 

Bill of the Paha Sapa Lines RR posted:

Let us not overlook the Rapid City, Pierre and Eastern.  The second city, which is also the South Dakota state capital, is pronounced "peer." The RCP&E also passes through the town of Belle Fourche, which is pronounced "bell foosh." Let us just observe that French pronunciations are rarely heard in South Dakota although the spellings remain.

There are a lot of Native American names of towns and streets in Minnesota. It's fun listening to out-of-towners mangle the pronunciations.

   They pronounce the city of Detroit a little differently tn France than Michigan. Would you say that North America"s change from the original pronounciation is a zombified horse or something 

  It's only "wrong" till it's esabliestab itself  

Of course names and titles are extremely resistant to change being "correct". It's possible to say any title translated is incorrect. 

Use of pere vs pier vs Pierre might easily be an "exuberant" spell check today.  I know pere means father. I know of Marquette's history in the region. I didn't always hear difference in the French my elders of the region spoke the two either and always assumed a shared origin, with pierre meaning father or elder "somewhere" as well.   My neighbors used pip vs pop vs pere

Mackinac & Mackinaw are the two most acceptable spellings used in the region.

, .. maybe Macinawwa, Macciniaw, etc.. I've seen more versions on old maps than I can recall correctly. 

Hey!  "De-twah & Mackinah"

Flows nicer and "acceptably" rhymes said in a French-ish jumble 

Nearby in SE Pennsylvania is Uwchlan township. Can anyone tell me how that is pronounced?