Miss measurement

That's the correct length because it's a semi scale Lionchief berkshire.

Scale berkshires are 26" in length and cost nearly triple.

Per the NKP Berk #759 sitting in the display case on my desk...The locomotive is indeed ~14.5". The tender is around 9".

@Farmall-Joe posted:

Per the NKP Berk #759 sitting in the display case on my desk...The locomotive is indeed ~14.5". The tender is around 9".

So,,,,,,,,,,your model is also a semi-scale LionChief?

@Hot Water posted:

So,,,,,,,,,,your model is also a semi-scale LionChief?

No but it is a semi-scale Berk Lionel product # 6-28074 (last USA made Lionel Berkshire model from 2001)

@DunningStation posted:

Looking for a new steam engine for my layout and kind of lean toward Chesapeake & Ohio, Have found what sounds like a match that needs to be pre-ordered but not sure Lionel's details are correct. According to them #2432090 is a Berkshire 2-8-4 but it shows a length of  14 1/2 inches. Could it be possible they got the length wrong ?

That’s a LionChief Plus 2.0 semi scale Berkshire from the new catalog.

You are correct; it is incorrectly measured. It likely is close to the PostWar 726 and 736 Berkshires, which I believe were close to 20.5”.

Peter

I thought that the measurement was supposed to be engine and coal together so that's why I asked. Should Lionel tell you in their description that certain engines are semi scale or scale . Should I assume Lionchief plus2.0 is always semi-scale and Legacy is scale? The biggest engine I have is an old MTH  Railking J-class 611 and it's rated for 031 curves. Most of my curves are 048 with a few 036's on some of the sidings.

@DunningStation posted:

Should I assume Lionchief plus2.0 is always semi-scale and Legacy is scale? .

Make no assumptions; if you want actual scale compare to the prototype dimensions.

@DunningStation posted:

I thought that the measurement was supposed to be engine and coal together so that's why I asked. Should Lionel tell you in their description that certain engines are semi scale or scale . Should I assume Lionchief plus2.0 is always semi-scale and Legacy is scale? The biggest engine I have is an old MTH  Railking J-class 611 and it's rated for 031 curves. Most of my curves are 048 with a few 036's on some of the sidings.

Typically i would think the engine and tender are measured as one but some "millennial" whose never seen a steam engine probably wrote the description (LOL).  Lionel has typically classified their offerings as "traditional" or "scale" or "legacy" or you may see the older term "standard O" used for freight cars.  MWB's advice is good. Some "traditional line" engines can be close to scale dimensions tho (such as diesels) but lack scale detailing (separate handrails, grab irons, air hoses, etc.) or they could have some details but lacking in others.  Same with steam...an 0-8-0 Lionchief is close to scale dimension (sort of) but not as close detail-wise as the Legacy 0-8-0. The Lionchief Berk's and Pacifics will differ more from their Legacy "scale" counterparts in both detail and dimensions. And remember, Lionel is NOT in the scale model business like 2-rail manufacturers even if it is a "Legacy" model.  They've gotten better in the last 30 years thanks to other manufacturers competing (some now gone) like Right of Way, Weaver, Atlas and MTH bringing closer to scale models to the market. Note that MTH has a similar separation with their RailKing line.