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I'm Tom and I'm a tinplater. There, I admit it. Even if I operate my Lionel prewar semi-scale steam switchers, but use Lionel tinplate tubular track and pull colorful prewar gondolas under my prewar Standard Gauge signal bridge, I guess I show all the signs!

 

I know there was a topic a few years ago where folks went back and forth on the definition of what is the definition of tinplate. Since then, I found an interesting TCA article, by Joseph Lechner, entitled "Scale or Tinplate." Here are some blurbs:

 

"The tubular track used for O gauge, S gauge and standard gauge trains is still made of tinplate today. Postwar trains that run on those tracks are called tinplate too, although nearly all of them are made of die-cast metal and plastic."

 

"Louis H. Hertz, who is better known for his books on toy train collecting, also wrote "The Complete Book of Model Railroading" (1951: Simmons-Boardman Publishing Corporation). In it, he distinguished between scale and tinplate, but not in the same way most hobbyists do today. Tinplate for Hertz meant ready-made equipment sold by companies that were primarily engaged in the toy business (even if a significant portion of their products were used by adults). Scale meant a model that was assembled from a kit or built from scratch. While the original motivation for building a scale model was to achieve greater realism than possible with tinplate, the boundaries soon became blurred. Hertz contended that much of the tinplate available at mid-century was as well proportioned as scale equipment."

 

"Louis Hertz regarded tinplate operators and scale enthusiasts alike as "model railroaders". He wrote, "There is no onus associated with operating a system with tinplate equipment rather than… scale models... Tinplate and tinplaters, far from being terms of disparagement... are honored words in model railroad phraseology."

 

Here is the whole article:

 http://tcaetrain.org/articles/.../tinplate/index.html

 

So, what do you think? 

Tom

 

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Tom,

It's nice of you to come out of the closet! LMAO Now didn't that make you feel better? I know it's a bugger running one's trains in that itty-bitty space in the dark .

 

Yes, you're really one of the chosen few. We like to run old fashioned trains in the old fashioned way. Louis Hertz was a wise man who was born ahead of his time. So much of his writing holds true even today. I own all of his books and find myself rereading one ever now and again.

 

Tom, you're more than welcome to visit us whenever you feel lonesome and blue. We won't misjudge or poke fun of you. After all, YOU ARE A TINPLATER.

Tom, I'm a great fan of Louis Hertz and think anyone who is into toy trains, especially tinplaters, should read his books for the historical background and context of the hobby.  I would recommend reading his books first-hand, with his "Riding the Tinplate Rails" as a starting point. And anyone interested in Ives just must read his "Messrs. Ives of Bridgeport".

 

However, Hertz's definition of tinplate as mass produced, and scale as scratch-built, does not hold up through the years as a viable definition or distinction; it has lost its meaning in today's market.  Many of Hertz's ideas are dated: he held the very strongly expressed opinion that lithography was the absolute last word in scale realism.  Which it no doubt was in his day, and I remain an avid lithography fan, but Hertz would be amazed to see what has happened between then and now in the area of scale detail. Few scale modelers would take lithography very seriously today: it belongs very much under the tinplate umbrella.

 

I think most tinplaters would accept cast iron and die-cast trains as part of the tinplate universe; after all, all the major manufacturers used these materials even in the 1910's, 1920's, and 1930's.  However, I am sure you would find the line being drawn at the use of plastic.  In the prewar era when Hertz was writing his books, there was some use of bakelite: but injection-molded plastic trains were still in the future, so his casual comments about it not mattering what material the trains were made of, had a different context.  Just as most tinplaters would agree that wooden floor trains fall off the tinplate map at one end of the spectrum, so too plastic trains belong to a different world at the other end.

 

david

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