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As many of you know, I'm in the midst of a father-son layout project with my twin 11 year old sons. You know because the advice many of you have given is the reason our project is a successful reality!  It's out first layout and it's been quite a learning experience.  We have the main level main lines down and have started the cityscape (at some point soon I plan to start a thread showing the progress of the layout to date). We needed a bridge for the upper level that will be above the main level. We wanted to give the cityscape the feel of New York as I grew up in NYC and attended school in the Bronx.  So we chose the 181st street Bridge. The real one is a thing of beauty and is particular to NYC.  Our model is not accurate in scale, detail or purpose.  Trains don't traverse the real one.  We wanted the feel but didn't want to take a lot of time building it (friends keep poking me with "is the layout going to be ready for the kids to play with it before they move away to college?"). 

The towers are wood with homasote overlays on the sides. The arches were a feat. I free-hand drew the curves on Masonite and cut them by hand with a jig saw. The stone work is cast resin foam using molds I bought from Joel at Bragdon Enterprises. And I pre-wired for double gooseneck lamp posts. Thinking of using HO scale lamps as they seem to be the right size based on those on the actual bridge. Suggestions on a good HO double gooseneck lamppost with LEDs would be most appreciated. And still need to do guard rails across top and finishing touches on paint.

The photos show progress to date. And one photo shows where it will go on the layout (hidden behind the trains).

Hope you enjoy these photos.

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Originally Posted by pennsynut:

       
I really like the way you thought out the design and implemented the construction.  What did you use for the supports that extend from the bottom of the deck to the arches?  It looks like metal fence.  Very creative.

       


Thanks for all the positive feedback. Its my first ever attempt at something like this, so I know it's far from great or perfect. But overall I'm pleased with it so far.

For the supports, I actually bought freakishly thin wooden dowels from Michaels. They are glued (used Gorilla Glue gel) in place.  You should have seen me trying to spray paint the dowels, first metallic silver, then light blue outside in my T shirt and slippers during the snowstorms we had here in Connecticut.  Neighbors probably thought I had lost my mind.

Waiting on the custom made guardrails from Jeff at Custom Model Railroads. And I could still use suggestions on HO scale double gooseneck LED lampposts.

Peter
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Originally Posted by PJB:
Its my first ever attempt at something like this, so I know it's far from great or perfect. But overall I'm pleased with it so far. 

There is a big difference between "great" and "perfect". Nothing in the real world is perfect, so perfection in modeling shouldn't (IMO) be a goal. The imperfections in a well-done scratch build project are exactly what makes it better than a "perfect" store-bought alternative. Your project may not be "perfect", but it is certainly great!

 

You have done a great service in showing what can be accomplished with a little effort and care. Awesome project.  Congratulations!

 

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Originally Posted by GTW:

       

PJB:

 

Great job on your bridge! You've captured the essence of your prototype in grand fashion. I'll have to check out more about the cast resin foam you used for the stonework.

 

Neil


       


Neil,

Joel is a great guy and I would definitely check out his molds. They are incredibly thick, not at all flimsy. 



Peter
Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:

       
I think it can handle two big boys and maybe Six more BB's on top of it,  that is a well built bridge!

       


Thanks!  I wish the VLBBs could go over the bridge, it's certain sturdy enough. Unfortunately, that upper line won't have the curves to accommodate anything requiring more than 045. But the VLBBs will still look great coming out of the tunnel under the cityscape!

Peter
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As an update:

I decided to add more vertical steel cables (need to fix that one rogue steel cable that unglued itself - you can see it in the close up shot) Not a lot more work and I think it gives the bridge more of the feel of the prototype. Actually only did the front 2 rows of cable because, visually, that's about as far as I needed to go to create the illusion that the whole bridge has all that cable work. Especially because the bridge will be at the rear corner of the layout.

And I've now dry-run fit it where it will go once completed. It fits perfectly in terms of connection points to roadbed on both sides and height (phew!). And I dry-run assembled the Bridgeboss El train structure in that area too to see how it looks all together. Overall I think it's really starting to have that large architertural structure "cluttered" NYC look and feel to it, so I'm pleased so far. Just got in the gooseneck lampposts so looking forward to installing them next.


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Originally Posted by PJB:
As an update:

I decided to add more vertical steel cables (need to fix that one rogue steel cable that unglued itself - you can see it in the close up shot) Not a lot more work and I think it gives the bridge more of the feel of the prototype. Actually only did the front 2 rows of cable because, visually, that's about as far as I needed to go to create the illusion that the whole bridge has all that cable work. Especially because the bridge will be at the rear corner of the layout.

And I've now dry-run fit it where it will go once completed. It fits perfectly in terms of connection points to roadbed on both sides and height (phew!). And I dry-run assembled the Bridgeboss El train structure in that area too to see how it looks all together. Overall I think it's really starting to have that large architertural structure "cluttered" NYC look and feel to it, so I'm pleased so far. Just got in the gooseneck lampposts so looking forward to installing them next.


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i dont mean to steer away from the bridge, but can you tell me something about those subway el trestles? are they all scratchbuilt?

thanks

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

Explain again, please how you constructed the arches. I need to get more quick clamps looking at the number you used. Really nice bridge!

Wish I had more photos of how I built the arches. Probably TMI, but here is the basic step-by-step of start-to-finish on the arches getting built and added:

 

  • I measured the distance I needed between the stone uprights and also the height from the stone outcroppings on the uprights (on which the arch framework sits) up to the underside of the road. 
  • I used these dimensions to draw a rectangular shape on masonite. 
  • I free-hand drew the arch shape on a piece of paper and then folded it in half to ensure it was sort of accurate - and then cut it out.   
  • I taped together 4 pieces of masonite, with the hand-drawn paper diagram of the arch taped on top. 
  • I used my jigsaw to free-hand cut the 4 taped together masonite sheets so that I had 4 identical masonite arches.  
  • I measured the distance of the top and bottom of one of the arches to determine actual length of the inner and outer curve.
  • I did the math to determine the right interval for equal spacing of each little vertical beam on the front of the arch. I also did the math to determine the point on the top and bottom of the arch so that each little vertical beams would be perfectly vertical respective to its placement.  I marked these spots with a pencil.
  • I cut freakishly thin pieces or cardboard for the vertical beams.  I glued (Loctite) them onto the arch front.
  • I gessoed the entire front to ensure a uniform finish across cardboard and masonite (and to fill in any minor gaps).
  • I cut 2 thin strips of masonite and glued (Elmer's) them to the top and bottom of one of the arches, with the strips being flush with the back side of the arch (strip overhangs only on front side of the arch). 
  • I clamped the whole thing together for several hours.
  • I spray painted the whole thing (and the other 3 arches) repeatedly - till the color seemed right.  First, lightly with metallic silver and then with light blue.
  • I cut 3 strips of 1/4" luan plywood to the width of the towers and then measured 4 equidistant points on the luan strips so all arches would be identically spaced from each other.    
  • I glued the four arches to those three pieces of luan (one piece of luan at the bottom of each side of the arches, the other at dead-center top of the 4 arches).    
  • I glued the arch structure to the uprights, and clamped the bottom of each side of to the uprights.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Peter

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Originally Posted by domer94:
Originally Posted by PJB:
As an update:

I decided to add more vertical steel cables (need to fix that one rogue steel cable that unglued itself - you can see it in the close up shot) Not a lot more work and I think it gives the bridge more of the feel of the prototype. Actually only did the front 2 rows of cable because, visually, that's about as far as I needed to go to create the illusion that the whole bridge has all that cable work. Especially because the bridge will be at the rear corner of the layout.

And I've now dry-run fit it where it will go once completed. It fits perfectly in terms of connection points to roadbed on both sides and height (phew!). And I dry-run assembled the Bridgeboss El train structure in that area too to see how it looks all together. Overall I think it's really starting to have that large architertural structure "cluttered" NYC look and feel to it, so I'm pleased so far. Just got in the gooseneck lampposts so looking forward to installing them next.


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i dont mean to steer away from the bridge, but can you tell me something about those subway el trestles? are they all scratchbuilt?

thanks

No prob.  I thought I mentioned that the EL structure is from Bridgeboss.  Jim is a great guy to work with and I highly recommend his EL structures. 

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