My first ERR installation.

Lou1985 posted:

Rickw2 posted:

Lou1985 posted:

Red wire is center rail, black wire ground. Tie the two yellow brush wires together the attach to one brush terminal on the board. Tie the two blue brush wires together then attach to the other brush terminal. 

This is assuming that your motors should turn in the same direction for your wheels to turn in the same direction, right?

On every dual motored locomotive I've ever worked on (either AC or can motored) the brushes on the same side of the locomotive are always tied together. I'm 100% sure that you could wire your Williams FA exactly how I described and wired my Williams PA and it'll work perfectly. 

I did exactly what you said, I attached yellow to yellow (on same side of engine) and blue to blue and it works perfectly. The motors spin in opposite directions but the wheels spin in the same direction. I don't know if they're all the same, but on mine Blue connects to Brush 1 and Yellow to Brush 2 to start in forward direction.

Thanks for your help!

Steims posted:

Rickw2 posted:

So above are pictures of my Williams FA-1. I'm a little hesitant about starting my ERR Cruise Commander upgrade. It's probably not that difficult, but I don't want to fry anything. So before I start messing with wires I have a few questions.

1. Are the yellow and blue wires the "brush" wires? So if I combine the yellow and blue wires from each motor then connect the yellows to the Brush 1 connector and blues to the Brush 2 connector would that be right? Or should I connect a yellow from one motor and a blue from the other motor and then connect to ERR board because the motors spin in opposite directions?  Yellow to Blue then to board.  Test before installing cab because polarity could may need switched so that forward and front lamp happen together. 

2. I'm assuming the Red wires are AC Hot. Connect them to each other then to AC Hot on ERR board?  Yes. 

3. Also assuming the Black wires attached to the bracket at the base of the motors is the AC Common? Combine them and connect to AC Common on ERR?  Yes. 

4. Not sure how that light bulb is powered. Is the black wire around the bulb hot and the yellow ground? And is the bulb bracket insulated from the frame? It must be right? So if I just leave that alone will it work with ERR?  Yellow is the common so bring it back to board.  Black is Front Lamp. 

Any help is much appreciated! I hope it's OK to post this diagram. If not I'll take it down.

 

Yellow to Yellow and Blue to Blue worked for me. Blue to Brush 1 Yellow to Brush 2 for proper direction. And I'm glad I hooked up the light to the board. Now I have directional lighting. Thanks for your help.

For this type of installation of ERR Cruise with ERR 5.0RS jumpering into the serial Data directly does not work. (It does work when using older RS 4.0 stuff with the powered MB.   I guess the changes made and how ground is isolated doesn't allow the straight Serial data to be recognized and the sound card will start up in conventional.

If you have an older Lionel TMCC engine with a R"2"LC Code 08 try it.  I have a feeling you may find this solves your issue.  If it does please report it here, and then you can explain to ERR.

I just worked through an install that is similar.   G

GGG posted:

For this type of installation of ERR Cruise with ERR 5.0RS jumpering into the serial Data directly does not work. (It does work when using older RS 4.0 stuff with the powered MB.   I guess the changes made and how ground is isolated doesn't allow the straight Serial data to be recognized and the sound card will start up in conventional.

If you have an older Lionel TMCC engine with a R"2"LC Code 08 try it.  I have a feeling you may find this solves your issue.  If it does please report it here, and then you can explain to ERR.

I just worked through an install that is similar.   G

Thank you for your suggestion GGG. Unfortunately there's no way I can test it that way. But maybe that'll give another experienced person here an idea. Maybe one of my boards needs to be replaced.

Contact Scott at ERR/3rd Rail.  He will help you.  G

GGG posted:

Contact Scott at ERR/3rd Rail.  He will help you.  G

Yes, I emailed him yesterday. Thanks!

Do they answer emails ??? - I know they do not return phone calls

I have a few questions myself 

Thank you

dorfj2 posted:

Do they answer emails ??? - I know they do not return phone calls

I have a few questions myself 

Thank you

Yes

Thank you Rick

I do apologize I should have said they have not returned my phone calls - however I understand being busy - It can take me weeks to get back to people with a quote on a job

I’m happy they have these products available 

Rickw2 posted:

GGG posted:

For this type of installation of ERR Cruise with ERR 5.0RS jumpering into the serial Data directly does not work. (It does work when using older RS 4.0 stuff with the powered MB.   I guess the changes made and how ground is isolated doesn't allow the straight Serial data to be recognized and the sound card will start up in conventional.

If you have an older Lionel TMCC engine with a R"2"LC Code 08 try it.  I have a feeling you may find this solves your issue.  If it does please report it here, and then you can explain to ERR.

I just worked through an install that is similar.   G

Thank you for your suggestion GGG. Unfortunately there's no way I can test it that way. But maybe that'll give another experienced person here an idea. Maybe one of my boards needs to be replaced.

Scott sent 2 R2LC boards to try. They did not work. Sounds remained working, but train speed control became unresponsive. Everything is going back for replacement. Thanks again for your insight.