N&W Passenger Cars Golden Gate

Thank you kindly, sir. I had no idea that Sunset had done these before. And now that you mention it, I do have one American Lightweight diner kit car. It has detail comparable to the Weaver cars.

Gilly

Sunset imported brass train sets for the Powhatan Arrow, NYC 1938 20th Century Limited, and PRR 1938 Broadway Limited. The cars were unfinished with very spartan underbodies but the cars were correct types for the respective trains.

Sunset also imported brass sets for the PRR Congressional and the California Zephyr. These cars had a plated finish.

Did the observation cars make it to the blue paint?  What was their disposition in the 60s and into the 70s after Amtrak in 1971?

The observation cars were sold to Saudia Arabia in 1958.

I have a set of N&W cars made by Lionel a few years ago.  They were very nice at that time.  I never knew that the N&W had blue cars--I sure would like to see a photo.  They are interesting.  Would a "J" been the motive power for this train?

Norm

Here are a few...

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90379

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90387

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90390

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90388

Would a "J" have pulled them...no.

Nice Pictures.  Were those cars subbing for the RF&P in a PRR train? photo 2.  I would buy a set of blue cars, to include into my PRR passenger pool.  The blue makes a nice contrast to the Tuscan for the later joint runs.

Nope. The "Blue" is Pevler Blue circa 1964. This "color" (actually a shade of oxidation) is named for Herman Pevler the former president of the Wabash. They would have been pulled by something called a "diesel" (?).

Not a popular N&W President, nor a well received paint job amongst the N&W family.

Gilly

Sorry HW, I must have been typing at the same time you were.

Will the Pm coaches be offered as 4-car sets, or will they be offered as single cars?  Last I was told it would be 4-car sets.

The popularity of the blue diesels has been very popular with modelers. A blue SD45 will sell several times more than a NW dip paint job every time. One cannot say what will sell or not. As a NWHS member from day one and having done sales the blue locos sell extremely well. Ask Athearn which brings the most sales and they will tell you the blue diesel every time. The diesels were passenger geeps painted blue that pulled the Pocahontas. Mth did the blue cars in HO and they are scarce as hens teeth. Some people will tell you that Conrail doesn't sell but it is one of the most popular schemes sold now. Times change and so do modeling trends. Stephen

Has anyone reserved a PM car from Sunset?  I ordered 3 of them and was emailed wondering what they were. Stephen

Stephen,

Things are being worked on right now. I just got notified this afternoon that it looks like they are going to be put up for reservation. I think we need to be just a little more patient, but looking up.

I've been thinking about this off and on ever since you posted this, so I have a question for you N&W steam era folks:

Would the cars seen in Baltmer be to/from Norfolk ?  Wouldn't through cars to NY from Roanoke, Williamson, etc have come up via Hagerstown [ - Harrisburg ] ?

I'd like to answer my own question, but my steam era N&W tt are packed away "somewhere" in an unheated locale, and I'd rather be toasty than find em.

Best, SZ

I am not an N&W expert but I am sure a few of the guys who are can answer your question. It does seem logical that cars from Roanoke would have come through Hagerstown, but I don't recall that the PRR made any passenger connection at Hagerstown with the N&W.

Pure speculation on my part but could they have interchanged at Lynchburg with the Southern and come through DC to New York?

I sent Scott an email asking about making Pm's concurrently with the Arrow, the answer was that the cars would have to be produced at a later time.

So maybe a '46 Arrow?

Steve

As best as I can remember when I road the train in the 60's to DC's Union Station we would go through Roanoke and then Lynchburg.  We never got near Hagerstown. 

Jan

N&W trains 1 & 2 had a NY - Roanoke sleeper that went through the connection in Hagerstown.

There was a sleeper that ran NY - Norfolk, part of The Cannon Ball, interchanged at Petersburg with the ACL then went to Richmond and on north.

There was service to NY at some time via three different routes. Through Hagerstown - N&W/PRR, Lynchburg/DC - N&W/SOU/PRR, Norfolk/Petersburg/Richmond/DC - N&W/ACL/RF&P/PRR.

Thank you and Big Jim for reminding me about the RF&P connection.  There were six 10-6 sleepers in that pool, I believe, 3 RF&P, 3 N&W;  the former were primarily for Richmond-NY operation.  All six were by PS in the same order in 1948, and all were in tuscan.  Coaches could well have been from the 531-540 group, which would make sense since Norfolk was an endpoint -- as well as PRR.

I haven't found any evidence of through coaches at Harrisburg yet, but I have a feeling there weren't any.  And if there were -- did they turn the seats ?

I always thought the Bristol trains were pretty much Southern equipment;  did N&W contribute passenger stock at one time ?

Best, SZ

Here's a link to a snap of one of the N&W observation cars with end windows covered up:

http://flbtrain.smugmug.com/Ra...ON-THE/SRO/i-wPpWZjB

Looks like some articulated Burlington cars in the dead line as well...

Being a Wabash fan, I have to say that the blue paint is far more attractive than the rather boring basic black that N&W ended up revertng to - perhaps if they'd retained the nice yellow Nickel Plate Road striping I'd be ok with black...