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Would anybody be willing to help estimate the worth of the following products.

I can supply some photos if needed, but I would like to describe the product:

 

I have a 1950's Lionel Union Pacific train set with engine number 2033. It is not a complete set, but I do have the most important pieces, the trains.

 

The engine set is an ALCO AA Union Pacific engine set with a powered unit and a dummy unit. My particular set I think was from 52' because there is no dark grey stripping or a circular bump on the top of the engine as found in a similar model under the same number.  The Dummy unit is in really good shape with all the original wiring and frame.  The shell only has minor scratches.  There are no Pieces missing that I can see.  On the C scale I would grade it as a C-7

 

The powered unit Is in a bit worse shape.  My Grandfather, before he packed it away whenever, left the battery in the housing, allowing it to explode and leak acid on the frame.  Thankfully, the shell was not damaged.  The only thing I have done was brush off the extra battery acid and remove the battery.  No polishing, not heavy cleaning, just a bit of WD-40.  Obviously it is in no condition to run, so I would rate it myself as a C-4.  There is still no pieces missing on this engine.

 

Then comes the cars.  All three have the normal wear, no large scratches, just small ones from being in a box with track.  I can see the bare plastic (yellowish tint) in only a couple places.  One thing I noticed is that one car has just a pit of white paint on it that could just wash off, and the same car has had it's roof replaced.  So for all three cars, no major scratches, one car has some paint on it and a roof replaced.  I'd give all three a C-5 or a C-6 rating.

There is also a fourth observation car that looked like an add-on.  It does not appear in any of the sets I have looked up online, but has the same paint scheme.  THe only thing about this car is one coupler is broke.  C-5?

 

I have no box, no papers, no transformer that's safe, and no original track.

 

So what does anybody think?  I think personally the set is worth $200-$250.  

 

Other questions would be:  Should I buy a new powered unit for this set?  Would that raise or lower the value?  How about just a new chassis and motor for the powered unit?  With the car with paint on it, should I wash it?  If so, can I do it with out hurting the plastic?

 

I don't necessarily need a specific, all out appraisal, just some opinions from some more knowledgeable people than me.  I also don't plan to sell, and won't be disappointing with any answers.  I don't really plan to sell the set, just want to know generally how much it's worth.

 

Any help is appreciated, Thanks in advance.

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I think your price is right on (without seeing pictures) unless the fourth car is a 2429 Livingston. I think the price would go to $250 to $300 if that's the case.

 

A new powered unit might raise the value in terms of money, but it wouldn't be your Grandfather's anymore. Occasionally you'll find a chassis for sale, or perhaps you could find one with a broken body and swap it out with yours. If you're handy, and all that needs to be replaced is the frame, sometimes those turn up as well.

 

I would be very careful with trying to wash the car. I don't think you'll harm the plastic, but the silver paint is usually pretty easy to remove.

 

J White

Well, I do have time on my side, and the price can only go up from there.  As for the paint, I put the cars into storage with the rest of my O scale until the new space is complete for storing the cars.  Therefore, I can't remember for sure, but I think the paint was on the roof of the car with the replaced roof.

 

I also did a bit of research and I am now certain this set was before 1952.  It seems that on the earlier sets, there was a fault in the roof placement, so the roofs would sometimes crack, and would need to be replaced.  I think that Lionel fixed that problem in 53' or 54'.  Okay white, So about 300 then?  That to me seems fair considering that it's incomplete, with a couple replaced/ broken pieces.

 

Yeah, I think I will go looking for a powered unit, at least it can run in all it's glory when the layout is built.  I'm sure grandpa would do the same thing.  And Bill, I did look at ebay before I posted, so that's generally how I priced the set.  I saw that a complete one sells for at least $700.

 

The one catch I have with ebay, and I'm sure you are aware, is that when a seller lists the item as 'rare' even when it's not, the price gets driven up past waht you would normally expect.  SO it can be a little in accurate.  regardless, thanks for the advice.  The more I look, the more I'll learn.

 

Anyone else have some useful information or advice?

 

Thanks!

 

-James

I am wondering why you require a new power unit in order to run the train. Battery damage usually does not affect the operation of a locomotive.

The damage is usually limited to the frame and battery bracket. These parts do show up on Ebay.

 

Sorry to be the bad guy, but in my area, I think you would be hard pressed to get three hundred dollars for the set you describe. I agree with the folks who suggest checking Ebay for completed sales. Prices tend to run high this time of year.

Thanks CW, but I don't really plan to sell, at least not now or in the near future.  If I clean up the locomotive more, and it works well, then I will probably not bother with a new unit.  However, This thing has been in my grandfathers storage for decades, anything else could have happened.  I guess I just need to look at it closer.

 

As for Ebay, okay, I guess we are all smart enough to see reasonable prices from astounding prices.

 

Like I had said in the first post though, I don't really plan to sell, just curious about what it's worth.

 

Thank you for the advice though, I will consider all of that when I am searching for new parts.

 

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