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Happy New Year everyone.  It's been almost a year since I've been on here, wow.  Hope everyone is doing well.


I've read through Barry's book (2nd edition) and some of the posts on here just trying to verify something.... and its a common question, how to run command and conventional using the TIU.  I'm going to have two loops that are connected so that any train can get to the inner yard and run on the inner or outer loop (one train on a loop at a time though).  From what I've gathered, this can be done by using the Variable channels and switching on the remote from fxd to var and vice - versa, is this correct  (reference a reply from Mike CT here )?  If so, please have a look at the diagram I put together, I think I could be doing this right?  (8'x10' layout)

 

Also, can I power the yard tracks from the terminal strips connected to one of the loops?  I have the toggle switches shown so that I can cut the power to these when engines are sitting idle there. 

 

Thoughts, comments, suggestions?  Am I even on the right track to set something up to run whatever engine I want on whichever loop?

 Note: I attached a .pdf to this incase the image is too small.

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Mike,

Looks good.  You will have to cut the plugs off the PH180s to wire direct to the TIU.  There are adapter wires but they are not needed.

I would connect all the yard tracks to the inner loop channel, this would make it easy to run conventional in the yard.  One PH180 should handle one mainline and the yard tracks.

I would buy a bunch of TVS 1.5KE36Ca and add one at the connection to each terminal block (TB1 and TB2) and one at each track connection. They are cheap and add additional protection for high end electronics.  These can be found on Mouser's and Digikey's web sites.

Just my thoughts.

Last edited by CAPPilot
Engineer-Joe posted:

If you use the two spare variable channels set to fixed, you could get the yard track power from them. Just jump the inputs threw the switches. When you switch it on, the output of the tiu would then send the watchdog and the engines would not start up.

Also, I believe the TIU channels have the TVS protection when you go thru the TIU.

Joe, He is using the Variable tracks for main loop to run conventional too.

Looks good.  You do not have to set the Var to fixed, you can just scroll up to the voltage you want.  That way if a command engine was on loop 1 and conventional on 2 and you wanted it to get on loop one to get to a yard as example, you could just scroll loop 1 down in voltage to 12-14, so that the conventional engine is move manageable, etc....  G

Thank you everyone for your input.  From your feedback, it seems like I am on the right path.  Sorry the picture was small.  

John, I will be powering the TIU with a Z500 (assuming that is enough?) into the Aux input. 

To clarify my diagram:

- Two Lionel PH180s, one powering one variable channel of the TIU, each.  

- One MTH Z500 powering the TIU through the Aux input.  

- The outputs will run into two terminal blocks, one for each loop (each loop divided into 4 blocks).  

- The inner loop will also power the yard tracks (Thanks Ron/CAPPILOT) each with a SPST toggle to kill power when not in use.

- One AIU to control 9 or 10 switches which will be wired in parallel so that I can use either the DCS remote or switch controls my own control panel.  These           switches will be powered by a Lionel KW.

Can I use a small transformer from old HO stuff for the lighting of the layout?

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