Has anyone had a problem with this CAR? When I run it , I get the Bumping & Wheel Flange Squeal, but no Track Clickity Clack !!
Any ideas ??
Fred
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Yes, cause there is no clickity-clack like the VL reefers... or like the station sound diners.
J Daddy,
im sorry, but the Catalog says WITH Clickity Clack Sound !!!!
Once again, the catalog is wrong. 
gunrunnerjohn posted:Once again, the catalog is wrong.
You can't say that. It'll bring the trolls out! 
There do seem to be clickety clacks, but they are nowhere near often enough. At high speeds, you can hear them every 3 seconds or so.
I do agree - too much banging, not enough clacking or screeching.
Still, I'm glad I bought it! It's fun. I hope they come out with more and fine tune the sound set.
Just to be sure, I referred it to LIONEL !!! I'm anxious to hear what they say!!!
Fred
You guys just need to come work a road switcher with heaving switching and a new engineer, or a new conductor with crappy car counts. You would understand all that banging around but not on the mainline. Well.... maybe when starting to pull or coming to a stop 
Most of our running is on the "mainline", which is why I assumed this car's sounds would reflect that. Obviously, switching would be a lot noisier, maybe this is really a yard car.
Laidoffsick posted:You guys just need to come work a road switcher with heaving switching and a new engineer, or a new conductor with crappy car counts. You would understand all that banging around
Spot on "Laidoffsick," I bailed more than once with a newbie at the controls, those fond memories one does not forget.
John might be right: The Catalog is wrong.....
Will post answer from Lionel, when received !
Fred
Laidoffsick posted:You guys just need to come work a road switcher with heaving switching and a new engineer, or a new conductor with crappy car counts. You would understand all that banging around
"Spot on?" Uh, well I suppose. If you're Andy Sperandeo (rip) or someone whose layout is a yard or yard-centric, then this car could be a good addition. For the overwhelming majority of folks, who have some form of loop and want to run their trains, in a sort of realistic manner, it is, in my opinion, annoying. The reason I returned all three.
Fred - not sure if you read the original thread on this forum, but I commented and gave a factual statement about what these cars do and don't do. Clikety-clack is not a feature, despite questionable advertising.
There is something in the background, way slower than what I'd consider clickety-clack, but it is there. My basic objection is they don't sound like any freight train I've heard just rolling down the road. Banging around in a yard is a whole different matter, but most folks aren't doing that.
Maybe something you can try to see if it improves things, add a 2nd magnet to the axle so the sensor is reading the car speed twice as fast as it really is, that might speed up the click clack and reduce the banging as it seems some say it reduces at fast speeds.
Just ran mine for the first time.
The Min-Max switch on the bottom increases or decreases the frequency of the sounds, on Max you get closer to a clickey clack...but not exactly.
I am pretty happy with the car...if Lionel would add the clickey clack I would buy another...and put this one half way down the consist.
Got a call from Lionel Service yesterday. She told me there have been so many complaints about: No "Clickity Clack", that they were going to do something about it. It might be done directly with them or through the Dealers. She will keep me "posted"! I will post on the Forum as soon as I hear !!!
Fred
Actually I don't need that Clickity Clack in the Railsounds, using AC Gilbert sectional track and metal wheels on the cars I get more than I need.
Ray
I picked up mine last weekend. Very happy with it. Would and am considering buying another.
I haven't played with the settings yet but I believe it is set to "max". My only complaint is I'd rather there be a few less "thuds" but again I'm quite happy with mine. Glad I ordered it. Once I heard the Vision line cars, and I saw this in the catalog, I knew I had to have one even if it didn't have as many sounds as the Vision Line cars.
I'd be thrilled if they added the clickety-clack and reduced the number of booms and bangs, that would make it a much more realistic car running on the mainline.
This is a dandy place to insert the plug for customer loadable sound files.
Clickety-clack, boom/bang, squeak, squeal,.....memories of the NYC transit subway cars in the 1950's and 1960's. Anyway I hear clickety-clack when my trains run. No sound car, but I am considering one or two.
I have the NYC Pacemaker Sound Boxcar and yes I do get the Clickety Clack sound at higher speed. Also when I go around some of my curves, the wheels squeal. The booming sound doesn't bother me at all. When you stop the car, it makes a sound which sounds exactly like a coupler coupling. Anyway, I've very happy with the car. As for fixing anything on the car, maybe a few more sqeauls around the curves or at different times. But in my opinion, this car is very cool.
Fredstrains posted:Got a call from Lionel Service yesterday. She told me there have been so many complaints about: No "Clickity Clack", that they were going to do something about it. It might be done directly with them or through the Dealers. She will keep me "posted"! I will post on the Forum as soon as I hear !!!
Fred
Really? I am in shock. Good for future business here!
I wonder what they are going to do?
And I have been waiting for MTH to fix their fire prone Ca1 cabooses for a year!
I would like more clickidy clack,thanks Fred for posting Lionels response.
Mikey
Add me to the list of satisfied customers. My sound box car (B&O livery) has been great.
And thanx to the suggestions -- posted in another thread -- for tweaking the volume switch to improve overall sound quality.
wrawroacx posted:Also when I go around some of my curves, the wheels squeal.
FYI, there is no sensing of curves, the only thing the car senses is if it's moving or not. The flange squeal is totally random.
Fredstrains posted:Got a call from Lionel Service yesterday. She told me there have been so many complaints about: No "Clickity Clack", that they were going to do something about it. It might be done directly with them or through the Dealers. She will keep me "posted"! I will post on the Forum as soon as I hear !!!
Fred
Hopefully this will include much less of the loud random banging and more subtle flange squeal added in with an occasional flat spotted wheel? After actually hearing these we were going to return ours. As many have said went out and stood trackside again, not a single freight train that passed by sounded like these cars.
BobbyD posted:Fredstrains posted:Got a call from Lionel Service yesterday. She told me there have been so many complaints about: No "Clickity Clack", that they were going to do something about it. It might be done directly with them or through the Dealers. She will keep me "posted"! I will post on the Forum as soon as I hear !!!
Fred
Hopefully this will include much less of the loud random banging and more subtle flange squeal added in with an occasional flat spotted wheel? After actually hearing these we were going to return ours. As many have said went out and stood trackside again, not a single freight train that passed by sounded like these cars.
Certainly a testament to Lionel reacting to market demands. I can't help wondering, however, why it took a bunch of returns and lost revenue for Lionel to do what it advertised it would do to start - give the customers what we paid for: PS-1 cars that have realistic sounds found in freights rolling down the pike. Anyway ...
Hmm. I thought Lionel did give us what THEY thought we wanted... and it was purely a case of misjudgement? Its not like we received the "mighty sound of static" like the MPC days!
Clickety Clack is mentioned in the description, and its provided in the cars... just not as realistic as we wanted it. I applaud Lionel for stepping up and refunding those of whom were disappointed. I am keeping mine... On other hand I have 2 $75.00 cabooses that are sitting on the shelf because they are a fire hazard to run, and I get no reply for over a year... how frustrating is that? We need to sort out our priorities...
I again applaud Lionel for getting back with us for a possible upgrade as well!
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J Daddy posted:Hmm. I thought Lionel did give us what THEY thought we wanted... and it was purely a case of misjudgement? Its not like we received the "mighty sound of static" like the MPC days!
Clickety Clack is mentioned in the description, and its provided in the cars... just not as realistic as we wanted it. I applaud Lionel for stepping up and refunding those of whom were disappointed. I am keeping mine... On other hand I have 2 $75.00 cabooses that are sitting on the shelf because they are a fire hazard to run, and I get no reply for over a year... how frustrating is that? We need to sort out our priorities...
I again applaud Lionel for getting back with us for a possible upgrade as well!
Santa Fe PS-1 Sound Boxcar :
- Realistic sound that replicates train sounds play when car is in motion
- Rail clatter
- Wheel flange squeal
- Coupler slack bumping
Since it is a PS-1 box car we expect and hope to hear the "rail clatter", some random flange squeal. Just not sure what the loud banging while it's running down the main line is!
Got a CA-1 too, can we run them? What did MTH say?
I got the volume down low enough to match my VL reefers and I'm happy with the sound. Sure, it's a different soundset from the reefers, but that's okay.
gunrunnerjohn posted:It's also easier to point in a thread about sound cars than to start a thread about the FEF apparently as well.
You're right John. Not sure why I posted that here. Fixed. Thanks for the friendly reminder!
BobbyD posted:J Daddy posted:Hmm. I thought Lionel did give us what THEY thought we wanted... and it was purely a case of misjudgement? Its not like we received the "mighty sound of static" like the MPC days!
Clickety Clack is mentioned in the description, and its provided in the cars... just not as realistic as we wanted it. I applaud Lionel for stepping up and refunding those of whom were disappointed. I am keeping mine... On other hand I have 2 $75.00 cabooses that are sitting on the shelf because they are a fire hazard to run, and I get no reply for over a year... how frustrating is that? We need to sort out our priorities...
I again applaud Lionel for getting back with us for a possible upgrade as well!
Santa Fe PS-1 Sound Boxcar :
- Realistic sound that replicates train sounds play when car is in motion
- Rail clatter
- Wheel flange squeal
- Coupler slack bumping
Since it is a PS-1 box car we expect and hope to hear the "rail clatter", some random flange squeal. Just not sure what the loud banging while it's running down the main line is!
Got a CA-1 too, can we run them? What did MTH say?
I think the banging could be a wheel hitting the rail head and a piece of the car falling off... not sure. I hear cars banging all the time behind my house when the train is at speed.... who knows could be time for some rail work...
MTH has not replied, if your caboose hums on the track as the power is turned on, remove it. Unplug the interior lights and you should be good to go. Otherwise, pfffft, the board burns up and anything else inside.... not all do this. I had one bad and one good. Other club members were not so lucky.
I has the opportunity to run the PS1 sound car at NJ Hirailers. A good test on a very large layout.
Placed boxcar just in front of the caboose -on a ten car train. The effects were very good.
A member walked up and tweaked it. (kinda). Turned up volume and set to switch max. Also opened one of the boxcar doors halfway. The sound would emanate from the door and bounce off scenery and buildings. Nice effect.
Definitely different from carpet central or 8 x 12 layout. That banging noise? Sounds more like sliding couplers
from a distance. (and confirmed by a 1:1 engineer)
I was usually 5-15 ft from car. End result? --I'm a keeping it! 
Floyd
What is 1:1?
Real trains Matt, you know the 100 ton jobs.
BobbyD posted:J Daddy posted:Clickety Clack is mentioned in the description, and its provided in the cars... just not as realistic as we wanted it. I applaud Lionel for stepping up and refunding those of whom were disappointed.
Lionel is the one that misstated car features in its advertising. They didn't provide the refund. The store (in my case, Charlie Ro) did.
OH, so is real a scale now?
Matt Makens posted:OH, so is real a scale now?
Now if I had a trillion dollars laying around, my scale would definitely be 1:1, what fun to have with your very own PS-1 rolling stock, would not need speakers or a sound chip, just pounding away.
I've had all of the experiences, in both "scales", listed above and am disappointed in the car (B&O version), too, for all the same reasons. However, like GJ, I'll keep the one car and hope that future production will bring us something closer to the VL version.
Since I'm keeping the car and I intend to weather the frame, trucks and underbody details, how much of the mostly ineffectual truck mounted sensor can I paint without effecting its limited performance?
My kids got me the C&NW Rail Sounds boxcar for Christmas. I thought I saw a thread about these cars that mentioned Lionel was allowing owners of the cars to return one of the circuit boards for reprograming in order to improve the rail clatter and wheel flange squeal. Is this correct?
The car number, "5" on the C&NW car is interesting. I have never seen a one digit number on a class I railroad freight car before.
Thanks
Richard
Got mine back from Lionel, it still makes a few "bangs" but better clickety-clack and squeal,
Thanks Lionel for Listening to your customers.
