New Run Of Auxiliary Tenders?

It depends on which era you are trying to model. Railroads like the SP and UP didn't use auxiliary tenders during the days of regular steam service.

That is interesting.  When did they start using aux tenders?

Actually the SP NEVER di use auxiliary tenders for their main line steam power, and the UP didn't start using the auxiliary tender/tenders until the modern "excursion era" with 844 and 3985. Thus, neither the SP nor the UP used auxiliary tenders during the "old days" of regular steam operations.

 

If you are specifically referring to SP 4449, she didn't have her own auxiliary tender until 1984 for the New Orleans Worlds Fair Daylight trip from Portland, OR to New Orleans and return. Of course THAT was no longer an "SP operation", since by then the City of Portland, OR actually owned/owns 4449. 

If they do re-run them, we need a modern UP yellow one with the American Flag on the sides. They are only excursion tenders anyway, why not do a recent model of one.

Not a bad idea, however both of the UP excursion auxiliary tenders were complete rebuilt  some 5 or more years ago. Thus, the auxiliary tender the UP uses today, look nothing like the Sunset/3rd Rail, Lionel, nor MTH models from previous deliveries. 

The only auxiliary tenders I've seen in original steam operations photos were on the N&W. They used them fairly regularly on coal drags if the photos I've seen are accurate indicators. Jack, do you know if any other roads used them back in the day?

The Burlington's fantrip loco's, O1a Mikado 4960 toted an auxiliary tender back in the 60's, but their O5b Northern 5632 didn't.

 

Off the top of my head, the N&W and the IC are the only railroads I can think of that used auxiliary tenders with any regularity "back in the day."

 

There were probably some other roads that used auxiliaries during the steam era, but much less than the "modern railfan" exposed only to current steam operations would imagine.

 

An auxiliary tender is a must have for today's mainline steam events. 

 

Rusty

I know for a fact that the IC and B&O used auxiliary tenders, just off the top of my head.

 

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...were on the N&W. They used them fairly regularly on coal drags

N&W used the "Canteens" on all freight trains, not just coal.

the Northern Pacific used auxiliary water tenders for their big mikes through bad water. areas all the time

 

 

 

I believe Seaboard Air Line used modified tank cars for auxiliary tenders:

 

 

I've run across a few photos showing a tank car behind the engine when taking on water/coal.

Yeah I know Jack, and the crew was quick to point that out after they let me take these shots:

 

But I'd be willing to make a few modifications myself just to get it to look similar.

 

I was going to strip the lettering off MTH aux tender and add a flag to both sides even though its not the same tender.

Most 3 HI-railers wouldn't know the difference anyway. The biggest things that catch the eye right away is the handrails are way to high, the angled ends, and those 2 boxes up on the top. 

Actually the MTH SP aux tender might be a better starting point for that project. Like I need more projects.

Those photos are great!

It really doesn't look like a hard conversion... the flag looks as if it's a stick on piece and would be easy to duplicate thanks to the detailed pictures.. trim the handrail stantions and add a couple of scratch built boxes to the top..

Bada-Bing Bada-Bang done!!

Not quite. Those former big blow gas turbine tenders have been completely reworked, by removal of all the external insulation & jacketing, not to mention the big slanted tops at each end are gone.  Also, that U.S. Flag is on a steel plate which is affixed to the side of the tank.

 

Making them look correct will NOT be an easy job.

Like I said...the flag is a stick on piece... a couple of pieces of sheet styrene and a bit of zap-a-gap...presto change-o all good!! 

So the rest of the entire car dimensions and appearance, doesn't matter?

Of course it does Jack.. but when you stick that flag on the side and it's rolling around the layout behind a VL Challenger I'm guessing you're going to be one of a handful who notice or care...

 

Theoretically no different than if Lionel released a  scale model of the Challenger in their Vision Line and calling it a Big Boy because they're both big articulated steam engines and only a handful would notice or care.

Do you actually expect Lionel to even notice the difference, let alone re-tool for the current config ?????   If by some extremely remote chance, they do...hopefully they do the shell in plastic, so we don't get another exploding U.P. water tender !   BTW, the "new" config. takes you back to the tender that was applied to Veranda Turbine #61, when the whole tender thing first got started.  So, now we have a reason to scratch a UP. Veranda Turbine!   Hello, G.E. !   

Did the UP ever paint one of their aux tenders in the greyhound scheme  during their excursion era?

No, and that was/is the reason that the UP auxiliary tenders are painted yellow, i.e. to MATCH THE PASSENGER CARS BEHIND. Remember back when the 8444 was two tone gray and the Challenger was, and still is, black. The question was then, what color should the auxiliary tenders be painted; A) one in two tone gray and one in black?, or B) both in two tone gray?, or C) both in black?, or finally D) both yellow?

 

The obvious choice was D) both in yellow in order to match the yellow cars being pulled.