Norfolk and Western 0 Scale List

Tim: That is correct. the second run was delivered in black paint instead of box car brown. All lettering numbers are correct, just not the color.

Done

Jimmy, yes Precision Scale did an S1a. We are not limited to 2 rail production here, though. I think MTH did something close to an S1 that I'll look into.

Well yes, MTH did an 0-8-0 and lettered it for N&W, but, a lot of work would need to be done in order to get it to look like an S1 class.

The Lionel 0-8-0 is a bit closer, the tender needing a lot of cosmetic surgery.

I think it was Overland that did a brass unstreamlined J. MTH made one too.

Done

Weaver's troop sleepers were some very nice looking cars when they came out. Little did anyone know the horror story to follow!!!

Read the entire thread to see the carnage. Troop Sleeper Warpage

The "J" category should include "611 - 613".

Maybe someone could make it to the Brass Expo and see if someone there has information on the older brass N&W locos that were made.

Although it has an incorrect truss pattern and ends the Lionel 6-17712 stock car is numbered for an N&W SK class car and the overall dimensions are correct.  It is a credible stand in.

Thanks Ted. I included the stock car and image.

Jimmy,  the troop sleepers look like bad news. Precision scale also imported troop sleepers so I'll dig a little deeper on that category. I can't believe I missed the 613. I'm not sure what I was thinking since I actually own a 613 model.

I think I have a handle on some of the older brass engine imports but we'll see as I go.

The classic post-war Lionel 6446 covered hoppers are good models (for the era) of the N&W HC-3 and are even decorated accordingly.

Lionel made their two bay 70 ton PS-2 in a single car and a two pack as the 6-17040 and 6-11854.  They are decorated for N&W class HC-7 and look spot on.

MTH made their PS-2 as the 20-97187 numbered NW 71428 and 71432.  They appeared in the 2006 Vol 2 catalog and are decorated as an HC-9.

Lionel has offered their PS-2CD4427s as the single car 6-27135 and 6-21854 three pack.  I believe these are stands-ins for the earlier N&W HC-13 class of 70 ton covered hoppers.

Atlas made their 6338/7338 model of an ACF cylindrical hopper in two road numbers.  The N&W classified these cars as the HC-15.

The MTH 20-97690 is a model of the short three bay cylindrical cars built in Canada.  MTH decorated it as a stand in for and ACF built HC-15.

The MTH 20-97559 Air Slide is numbered NW 341160 and 341164 in the 2004 Vol 2 catalog.  The car numbers are a mystery to me.   N&W had 100 ton air slides in the 71700s number range  as class HC-17.

The MTH 20-97255 PS-2CD from 2010 Vol 2 is numbered for NW 176052 and 176085.  It is a stand in for the later 4740 cubic foot hoppers that N&W classed as HC-70.

Weaver made their PS-2CD4740 in four road numbers in 2006.  It is the correct car type for the HC-70 class.

The MTH 20-97748 ACF 2 bay hopper numbered NW 180329, 180325 appeared in the 2012 Vol 2 catalog.  It is an accurate model of an HC-79.

Ted, Thanks for the additions.

Guys,

Looking at the list, I think some things are going better than expected, and some other things that I'm still trying to work out.

I think the good news is there is so much information here.

I think the bad news is there is so much information here. I'm a little concerned that this is going to become enormous and will need to be broken down differently at some point. Some of the sections are a little unwieldy to work with already and I have a ton of information to add.

I don't want to discourage input. Please continue to post items as they are valuable even if they are not in the list format yet. I think it will be good to get as much info into the thread from you guys in a short period of time as possible. From that point I'll be able to organize the list without the thread constantly rising to the top of the forum. I'm guessing people will be, if not already, sick of seeing the thread so frequently.

I hope you guys will be patient with me and don't get frustrated with the pace. My intention from the beginning is to go deliberately slow on this so I don't get burned out with it.

Thanks again for all the input.

I'd like to make a suggestion -- I had thought about it when you first started this topic but didn't express it, and I'm slightly sorry I didn't:

I'd recommend you limit the list to the "classic" N&W -- that is, post VGN but before October 1964.   Once you get into the post WAB-NKP era now you've really broadened the scope -- E8's, domes, S2's, etc etc etc.

Your interest is transition era, and you share that with a lot of other N&W fans; others who model the blue and NW eras can handle those prototypes, and you can concentrate on what interests you the most.  I think there would be enough in the steam era alone to chew on, let alone digest, for a while.....

Just a thought.

With best regards, SZ

Steinzeit,

I'm thinking that is a good suggestion to narrow the scope. Really, I know my interest and passion is in the steam era, and in that sense it might be best to end it right there in 1960.

I feel badly that I let these guys do research and contribute to the thread as they've done and not include their work in some manner. It is included in the heart of  the thread automatically I suppose for use, but I don't want anyone to feel unappreciated and I want them to contribute in the future. I'm thinking the best way to handle it would be to move the diesel era sections of the list into their own section for reference.

Just a suggestion: I thought this thread was coming along quiet well and quickly. After all the work that everyone has done and turn it around and chop it off in 1960. Then I suggest chop off this thread and go off line with it. Anyone interested can email you direct instead of popping this thread to the top of the forum, since you will just will be limiting/narrowing the interest to a fewer number of people. Just count me out from here on. Stephen

PS: There is no such thing as Classic N&W. What a bucket full of ditrty water! Heck - The N&W GP9.5 were classic.

Stephen,

I'm sad to hear that you won't be participating since I know you could give great input on the brass side of things as well. I am not going to chop out the work you've done to this point. I can tell you I could not visualize at the outset how the list would play out with the number of items that would go into each category. I am sorry about that. There are and will be just too many items to make them work well as they are set up now.

I'm not too familiar with how pages work on the forum, but I'm actually concerned that with photos I'll be putting in, some of these single categories could exceed a single page. I'm just not sure how the pages work.

I'd rather not take the list offline as I need the input of other knowledgeable people, some of whom may only come out of the woodwork if they see the list here. 

Also, I'm am so out of my league in the Diesel era that me managing that part of it is really a stretch. I can barely wrap my mind around how many items will be in that category.

I can offer this idea. In this thread, set up categories as I did for the diesel era in a line and a bunch of extras. Copy the items we already have into your list, and you can manage the diesel part of the thread. I'll make a note in each of the steam categories referencing the diesel era lists so that people interested in the diesel era will not get left out. I really hope you'll give it some consideration and not stay away. And if you decide not to take on the diesel section, I hope you will come back and contribute for the steam items.

Christopher

You might consider a format something like what I have done with the O Scale Freight Car Guide.  Use one thread as a hub with links to other threads with information on each particular car or locomotive type.

While I am not an N&W modeler I have become quite familiar with finding things on the Atlas, Lionel and MTH web sites.  I would be happy to continue to contribute as time allows and would also be happy to have you edit my contributions as you see fit to merge with whatever format you chose to use.

Thanks for starting this thread.  It is a huge topic, even for a mid sized class one like the N&W but I am glad to see it attempted.  Imagine if we were fans of the ATSF, NYC, PRR or UP! 

Hi Ted,

Thanks. Yes I appreciate what you've done and absolutely welcome any input in the future from you or anyone. At least for now I want to stick with the 1960 break. Any images you or anyone can get from the importers would be appreciated and I'll gladly work them in. I have access to a good number of these models on my own layout, and will be taking some photos, but I'd rather it not all be about my trains. I have prototype images of just about everything on the list in the hopper right now to work in where appropriate. They won't be necessary for everything but I'm giving that a little thought.

For now I'm going to stick with this format and see where it takes us. If we run into a block, I'll rework it some way or transfer items. It will work one way or another.

If I had to do it over again, I'd have broken the items into smaller cells. One thing I don't understand about forum threads is if I keep adding stuff up front will cells be pushed to another page at some point or will the first page continue to expand down forever? 

I'm sorry if I made it sound like I don't want people contributing when I remarked about not having the thread at the top of the list all the time. I want anyone to contribute at any time but I don't want to put any pressure on anyone to make this thread move too quickly, including myself. I'm comfortable if it stays or goes away for weeks or months at a time and then come back to it at another time as more items emerge. I think we have a really solid start here.

Hello fellow 0 Scalers,

I've added a bunch of photos to the list. Hopefully these will give a better indication of what each class is about.

As always, if you see something to add, dispute, or can answer a question in the list, feel free to reply.

I'll be adding more images down the raod including more in the locomotives section.

Thanks for looking.

Hi Folks,

I've updated the list with just a few photos of recent releases.

• MTH J 604

• Lionel B8 boxcar with some notes