Other UP steam engines that our mfgs. Have not made?

I believe UP had all manner of other configurations.  Maybe someone has made O gauge models of these, which I believe UP ran at one time or another.

0-6-0 - I know Lionel makes a UP dockside switcher but I think UP ran something  different than that, actually. 

2-8-0

2-6-2 

4-8-2 

2-10-2

2-8-8-0

I am going to love this thread!  Union Pacific steam is my favorite!

 

I would love to see a 2-10-4 or a 4-8-2 built.  Something different.  I love the Challengers, Big Boys, 9000 series and the H7s ( blew my H7 budget today by buying a nice Legacy Big Boy #4012, thanks Mark!), but I really wish to see some new steam engines.

 

Although previously done in O gauge by Third Rail, I would love to see someone do another run of "Early Challenger" series.  I missed out the first time because I wasn't back into trains yet.  I saw one 'overstock' on their site....Should I?

 

Bring on the big UP Steam!

One might consider what class of locomotive the Union Pacific didn't have in the 20th century. It would be a shorter list likely.  I don't have my Guide to North American Steam Locomotives in front of me, but UP rostered nearly every class of steam locomotives from all the major manufacturers.  For the prototype modeler, I am guessing many UP specific locomotive have not been produced. 

Did UP ever run a Mohawk, 4-8-2?  I don't have any UP steam engine books to research.

 

Thought if they did I could I could repaint a Lionel NYC.

On the UP and most railroads, the 4-8-2 was referred to as the Mountain class.  UP rostered 40, #7000-7039 all built by ALco in 1922.  I'm not sure how close the NYC Mohawk is, but I believe ALco was the builder of those as well.

You can find every steam UP has ever owned here

Joe

 

http://utahrails.net/steam/steam-index.php

Awesome, thanks for the information!

 

That is the great thing about this forum, a lot of good helpful people!

 

I'll do some research on this.  If they are close, I know where a Mohawk is cheap and may be a fun project.

 

Thanks again for the info!

I'm mostly interested in late era big steam of the UP. But the web site posted above has tons of info, thanks jc642 for posting.

And no, the WBB model doesn't count.

 

Rusty

UP never had a 2-10-4. 

 

MTH cataloged the 4-8-2's but they were cancelled due to lack of preorders.

 

Rusty

"The WBB model doesn't count", per Rusty Traque....how so? Is #1243 hauling a coal or oil fired Vanderbilt tender?

UP did have ten 4-10-2's.  They were originally built as three cylinder engines, then rebuilt as two cylinders engines during WWII.

 

Stuart

The UP 4-8-2's and the NYC 4-8-2's look about as different as any two North American

locos of the same wheel arrangement ever could. (Someone broached the subject above.)

Different planets.

 

Lionel's excellent USRA Light 4-8-2, which has come in a few road names and is a

very desirable loco, could be fairly convincing as a UP 4-8-2, especially if a Vanderbilt

tender could be found (K-line used to sell them).

 

You'd still have to squint.

 

 

How about a more accurate model of 4-4-0 #119?  MTH's model didn't quite look convincing enough to me. Of course, that would also require a more accurate model of the Jupiter to complement it.

Oh, and I have yet to see a model of the UP steam-turbine-electric.

Aaron

I am not a rivet counter, I just like good running scale equipment.  Thanks for all that put in their input, I am trying to learn about UP big steam, since it is my passion.

 

And, the 4-10-2 statement is correct, as some one already mentioned.

 

UP had a lot of late model steam, would love to see them reproduced in O Scale.  I think a 4-8-2 would be awesome. Seems the manf have focused on BB and Challengers,FEFs, and others (I like them all, great engines) but would love to see something different.  I think that is why I like the H-7 so much.

Very few Harriman Pacifics have been made in O Scale.  The only one I can think of was the Overland - very expensive, ugly stack, huge tender.

 

Both SP and UP used the light Harriman, and the heavy was used by both of those and Alton.  The earlier versions with extended smokeboxes and small tenders are more appealing to me.

 

UP had Harriman ten wheelers, a few Harriman 0-6-0s, and of course the Mikados, done by Sunset with a straight boiler, but otherwise quite nice.

 

I might buy a Harriman ten wheeler in die cast.  I have three in brass.

As I understood it, the OP was asking about specific models that are based on UP prototypes out of the box.  Just slapping Union Pacific on the side doesn't make it fit that criteria.

 

I'll grant, both the WBB model and 1243 appear to be Baldwin "catalog" locomotives. 

 

However, with the WBB model:

The obvious difference with tenders.

The paint is wrong.

The locomotive is too large (take a look at the photo, the prototype is almost dwarfed by the gondola behind it.)

Drivers are too large and incorrect spacing.  The prototype had 57" drivers with unequal driver spacing.

Other piddly little things like, air compressor, headlight location, lack of train indicator boards.

 

For what it is, the WBB model isn't a bad overall model.  Doubtless, with a lot of work, the WBB model could be made into a fairly credible representation of the 1243, although there's not much you could do about the driver size and spacing.

 

Rusty

 

 

"One might consider what class of locomotive the Union Pacific didn't have in the 20th century. It would be a shorter list likely."

 

 

Two classes of Locomotives that were popular on many roads that UP didn't have, were the 4-6-4 "Hudson" and 2-8-4 "Berkshire" types. If UP had any of either, have yet to find any evidence of them. Of course that didn't stop me from getting either of Lionel's Hudson jr or Bershire jr with Union Pacific on the tenders.

 

 The SP, did have I believe 5 Berkshires, that they bought second hand from the B&M during world war 2.

 

The large steam that I would Love to see accurate models of are the 2-8-8-0 "Bull Moose" and the 4-8-2 "Mountains", Unfortunately, I don't know when I would ever be able to get them, there is al ready more available than my budget can even dream of covering. I have seen that Early Challenger in 3rd Rails Boneyard too, just that minor detail of paying for it keeps popping up.

 

Doug

I wasn't disputing the 4-10-2, but the 2-10-4.

 

Two entirely different animals.

 

Rusty

I am with you Doug.  I really want it, but I can't justify the price for what it is (technology wise).  I know some will flame me for saying that.  Been searching for a used one, no luck.  I did find a Clinchfield one: not sure of the difference between it and UP (I would paint it to UP). 

 

Sorry Rusty, I misread/typed the post.  My apology, hope I didn't sound like a jerk..

I wish someone would produce the UP 4-10-2 or the 4-8-2. If I could find something close, I could modify it to what I want. 

 

Happy New Year everyone! 

No problem. 

 

As I mentioned before, MTH cataloged the UP 4-8-2 (4 versions, 2010 V2) but it was cancelled for lack of pre-orders.  Probably because the 4-8-2 isn't part of the "beautiful power" of the UP fleet and was lesser known outside UP circles.

 

Rusty