Photos, Time Changes for York

Very interesting. At least they're considering changes. That's a start.

The only change needed is to open at 9 am Thursday.

If they are taking suggestions, I'd like to see another hour on Saturdays. (though I know a lot of people would disagree)

The plus for me would be no Thursday overnight stay to pay for.

The minus would be no Kosher Hotdog Extravaganza in the parking lot.

I'd be thrilled with being allowed to take pictures of the display layouts!

Peter

I haven't been to York so I don't really understand Questions 1 and 2. Are Dealers previewing prototype models or something secret that they don't want photographed? and; If a Dealer Helper is exactly what it sounds like, why would they be especially camera shy? I'm sure there are good reasons for these. I'd appreciate any explaination.

It would be nice if the Eastern Division also polled its division members.

I couldn't figure that one out either, so can't provide an explanation.  What Helpers want or don't want is pretty much irrelevant in my opinion.  I'm a Helper myself since we (ORG) are registered with one table/booth holder and "X" number of Helpers.  Same applies to other manufacturers/dealers/sellers. 

Why can't everyone just go and enjoy themselves?  

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I haven't been to York so I don't really understand Questions 1 and 2. Are Dealers previewing prototype models or something secret that they don't want photographed? and; If a Dealer Helper is exactly what it sounds like, why would they be especially camera shy? I'm sure there are good reasons for these. I'd appreciate any explaination.

Explanations vary.
Some say its for security and privacy.

Others say its to avoid having the show's traffic flow impeded by photographers.

Take your pick.

The show gets very crowded, and the isles, no matter how wide, get congested.

People love to complain about the show, and make fun of its rules. Its a very successful show, the Eastern Division Show Committee must have been doing something right for all these years. I appreciate their effort!

I don't like doing nothing till noon on Thursday. I got to York for the trains not a social event. I do enjoy going that is why I have only missed 2 times since 1980.

I drive in Thursday morning. So the start time works for me. Your mileage may vary. 

I don't want to see the show start before noon. If the show started any earlier, I'd have to travel on Wednesday, and stay overnight.

According to the last member map I saw, a large percentage of TCA members and probably all Eastern Division members live within range to set out early Thursday morning at get there in time for the noon start.

OPEN THE MEET AT 9AM ON THURSDAY. That is the only change I would like. Stupid to have to wait till 12 noon. 

That's what I plan to do.  The sun will (hopefully) still rise on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday morning.  After that, I don't really care.  

That said, I still wouldn't mind seeing the photography ban eliminated and I also would support a 10 a.m. opening time on Thursday.  But I don't recall any Eastern Div. official soliciting my opinion.  

I agree with Marty,Thursday morning is my drive time.  I believe the TCA board also meets in the morning on Thursday at York to go over any issues/decisions for the organization. 

Ditto

The first two questions lead me to beleive that they are considering relaxing the photography rules for the dealer halls only.  I'm OK with it, either way.

I wouldn't mind if the meet opening were moved to 11 a.m., but earlier would mean I would have to miss the opening or get up a lot earlier and walk around all day feeling like a zombie.

Andy

I have to side with keeping the Thursday noon opening as well. Same reason, that's my driving time. I visit with relatives in NY whenever I travel north from Florida for the show. Early Thursday morning I drive over from there and arrive at around 11. For that hour before the show I usually just double check any shopping lists / route plans, get myself organized, and maybe even grab a quick nap in the car if I'm feeling tired from the early start and long drive. Noon opening really is perfect for these "drivers"; the people that are just too "bored" in that time should check out the forum hot dog social in the parking lot.

Aside from sellers, why do people feel they need to be there when the doors open?  After all, the meet goes on for a good number of hours on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, and these days the chances of one of your sought-after items being gobbled-up in the first few hours is kind of slim, especially since most people on this forum don't even profess to be avid collectors.

I drive up Thursday Morning also 4 am is not early for me. It's 3 1/2 hours from Pittsburgh not a long drive at all. I am up so I leave. Get there and Nothing to do till Noon. Why not leave later then I would be home waiting to go.  Look at the Fairgrounds People just waiting for something to do. Open at 9 or noon . If it is 11 or 10 just make it 9.  I would even like to see 8am opening time.

Trust me, if you've ever been to York, you know those are in very short supply. 

Okay so make both changes then. Open at 9am AND allow cameras in all of the halls. Then I can have someone send me pictures of stuff I might be interested in and buy it from the car.

Sounds like a plan!  Just make sure you don't text or gab on your cell phone while you're driving because that is frowned on by most states and your insurance company will just love to up your rates a bit after a conviction (or accident), assuming they even keep you on board.

Non-existent would be a more accurate estimate.

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Aside from sellers, why do people feel they need to be there when the doors open? 

Folks interested in collecting (there still are a few of us) want to be there when the show opens. There are still desirable items that are in very short supply.

Sometimes folks in the dealer halls have these items, so early hours for the dealer halls only wouldn't work.

I can see where operators wouldn't need to be there at the opening, so maybe they should wait to come until Friday, when the show opens nice and early. Then they wouldn't have to worry about what to do for a couple of hours.

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I drive up Thursday Morning also 4 am is not early for me. It's 3 1/2 hours from Pittsburgh not a long drive at all. I am up so I leave. Get there and Nothing to do till Noon. Why not leave later then I would be home waiting to go.  Look at the Fairgrounds People just waiting for something to do. Open at 9 or noon . If it is 11 or 10 just make it 9.  I would even like to see 8am opening time.

We all look at the show though the prism of our own experience. I am also an Eastern Division member, and have a 6 1/2 hour drive from the Capital District of NYS. Plus there are long sections of route 81 what a prone to heavy fog.

If the show needs to open earlier on Thursday, why stop at 8:00 am?
Were I to drive down on Wednesday, I'd be up by 4:00 or 5:00 AM. Why not open the show at 6:00 AM? That would probably be before local rush hour traffic.

Allan

For the record, AND for anyone else who might be listening , Someone else would be doing the driving!!

Originally Posted by tr18:

So when is everyone going to start complaining about hand held cell phone use when driving?  York never goes by without mucho griping.

I too was asked by the TCA eastern division these four questions. I do not have any problem with the photos, however I leave very early on Wednesday from Buffalo w a 7 hour drive. Once at York it take me several hours to set up including much of Thursday morning. I might be ok w a 11:00 start time for Thursday.

jim r

I would like to see the Toyota building open its doors at 9:00 am on Thursday. Most, if not all the dealers are already set up. This way we can check out some of the newer stuff before heading over to the member halls.

Rich from NH.

If any of the dealers still need the time before noon to complete their setup, then an early opening in the dealer halls becomes a nightmare for them.  I occasionally go to a flea market that opens at the same time for both sellers and buyers, and it is a real PITA to have buyers swarming over you when you are trying to set up.

Andy

I like being there at the open. That's why. 

There are tables still covered over at noon on Thursday...why is that?

Bottom line is anyone can come with a reason to start at 9 or noon. None of them being right or wrong. A lot of them just personal preference.  I'll go whether they open the doors at 9 or noon. 

The EDTCA do a great job and my job as their guest is to follow the rules they set not the ones I feel like following.