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Assume I'm dumb enough to spend $100 on a plastic tender. The trains I have now, with sound are MTH steam from an RTR set and a premier berk.

How good is the sound on the polar express tender. I don't use smoke, so I don't care the the chuff won't sync with the smoke, but is the whistle nicer than the whistle that came with the set? How does the engine sound compare to MTH?

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Honestly; Don't waist your money. I have one and I shut the chuff sounds off. It comes with train sounds which is nothing like Railsounds. The whistle sounds kind of "Tinny" and the bell is OK but the chuff sounds more like a machine gun than anything else. It is a little better than the old air whistle but not worth the extra money IMO.
I have one too and ditto the above. We don't need any more hundred dollar dummies in the group! Roll Eyes

Sounds are ok, whistle is a little better then the air model that came with the set, bell sounds are ok but tinny and the chuff sounds are poor. There is a little station announcement that comes up if you let it sit in neutral for a few minutes but I find it hard to understand.

QSI use to make a steam sound box car. I would see if they are still available and do a little transplant into the tender that came with the set. You wont get the announcements but they are not all that any way. Wink
I bought this a couple of years ago as well. I am going to partially agree with the statements made so far. If you are going to compare this to current Railsounds then it is no contest. It really depends on what you are looking for. I bought this for my 5 year old and he loves it and runs it all the time. In conventional mode he knows how to activate the announcements. The original PE tender has not seen the track since we bought this one. At slower speeds the chuff is OK; at higher speeds it can become a little bothersome.
Well, I'll chip in and say that the sound is better than nothing. It makes a choo-choo sound that varies with speed. Alone on a layout it is okay. That's about it. Put it on a layout with any recent Lionel product, or even MTH early PS1, and mine sounds pretty pathetic by comparison. This is not a speaker issue, I think its the electronics/sound synthesizer.
I just got the PE set for my daughter this Christmas an I too recently asked this question.
http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve...062986027#8062986027

IT appears forumites approveof installing the ERR Railsounds in the whistle tender is the better way to go than purchasing the overpriced Trainsounds tender... plus not having to deal with an additional PE tender is a bonus. Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...uwE5k&feature=fvwrel

and this I assume is the Trainsounds verion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl6TyTpRWDc
And to make this product even more bloody annoying and useless, I too bought one a while back only to discover Trainsounds doesn't work in 50hz countries! Mad
Railsounds does though. I wish Lionel would realize they have customers worldwide and make their products compatible OR advertize that they won't work in 50hz countries. All the crap that has gone on for years and years with the CW80's, and it's taught them nothing. I've really gone right off Lionel.
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Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:
... plus not having to deal with an additional PE tender is a bonus. Wink


That's really the only UP side. A friend of mine relettered the original tender for Pere Marquette. Now I have a tender to run non-seasonal when it's not in the "Polar Express" mode. Since this is a generic Trainsounds tender, I'd look for one on 'Dabay and just swap the shell to make it PE.

Gilly

I put the Pennsy Switcher ERR in my HP tender and love it.

TrainSounds is single channel and so when bell or whistle are activated, the chuffing ceases. Sorry to say lots of folks bought into this and afterwards were likely sorry they had. The crew talk dialogue is frequently unintelligible. You're paying for a sound chip that's old technology and hasn't been updated since tender was first introduced.  

I would find one of the earlier Conventional RS tenders from a set and use it.  They had the RS Chip and the separate Power Supply.  Much better sound then the TrainSound units plus it accepted a battery for power backup.  I swapped one of these in for my Lionel WWII Army set which had Signal Sounds (Bell and Whistle only).

 

Much better chuff, whistle and bell.  That would be a good add for the Berkshire engine.  Lionel needs to do better on the low end sounds.  The Legacy and RS are terrific, but they just allowed the Conventinal RS to dummy down to Signal Sounds and TrainSounds and then removed the battery.  So every time you change directions the sounds start over.  Just to save a few bucks on the cost of making the set.  

 

For a while there when I was watching, those RS tenders from Starter sets were going for about $75-100 alone.  That is how much the conventional operators wanted those tender sounds.   It has to be the older "Conventional Rail Sounds (2 piece set up on the mother board), not Signal Sounds (Though this has a great bell and whistle) or TrainSounds (Avoid).  G

Originally Posted by Dave Allen:
And to make this product even more bloody annoying and useless, I too bought one a while back only to discover Trainsounds doesn't work in 50hz countries! Mad
Railsounds does though. I wish Lionel would realize they have customers worldwide and make their products compatible OR advertize that they won't work in 50hz countries. All the crap that has gone on for years and years with the CW80's, and it's taught them nothing. I've really gone right off Lionel.

Dave, although I fully agree that Trainsounds is a disaster with 50Hz, I do have to come to the defence of the CW-80.  Any CW-80 with a QC50-OK sticker on the box/casing works perfectly on 50Hz. I think that it is a great little transformer.

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