I find this thread absolutely fascinating. I don't know much about real stream and the story and input from those in the know is great! I never knew how much goes into engineering one of these beasts but it is clearly a lot, especially when there is an issue. This was very educational and thanks to all for their input.
I remember in the 1980ish area when 765 came through town on the TP&W tracks, got inspected and were forced to remove their tender truck wheels because they were obsolete(ARMCO) and no longer usable in interchange service. The wheelsets showed up at our wheel shop where we pressed the old wheels off their axles and remounted Griffin P33's on them. I turned the axle wheel seats and bored the new wheels. I wonder if they are still running those wheels under the tender or if they have been changed out again by now.
We converted the tender to roller bearings a couple of years ago. All new axles, wheels and bearings went in on that job.
The wheels you worked on are still around, having served very well for many years.
Originally Posted by oscaletrains:
I remember in the 1980ish area when 765 came through town on the TP&W tracks, got inspected and were forced to remove their tender truck wheels because they were obsolete(ARMCO) and no longer usable in interchange service. The wheelsets showed up at our wheel shop where we pressed the old wheels off their axles and remounted Griffin P33's on them. I turned the axle wheel seats and bored the new wheels. I wonder if they are still running those wheels under the tender or if they have been changed out again by now.
I was part of the original 765 crew, and we never un-trucked the tender at all while on the TP&W railroad.
Sorry, but it happened. Though I don't know exactly where the wheels were removed and replaced. I do know that a few days later the engine came through town on TP&W tracks.
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by oscaletrains:
I remember in the 1980ish area when 765 came through town on the TP&W tracks, got inspected and were forced to remove their tender truck wheels because they were obsolete(ARMCO) and no longer usable in interchange service. The wheelsets showed up at our wheel shop where we pressed the old wheels off their axles and remounted Griffin P33's on them. I turned the axle wheel seats and bored the new wheels. I wonder if they are still running those wheels under the tender or if they have been changed out again by now.
I was part of the original 765 crew, and we never un-trucked the tender at all while on the TP&W railroad.
Well, then that answers my question. Other than in a museum, you really never see friction bearing axles anymore, or forged black collar ones.
Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:
We converted the tender to roller bearings a couple of years ago. All new axles, wheels and bearings went in on that job.
The wheels you worked on are still around, having served very well for many years.
Originally Posted by jim pastorius:
Is it possible to have a hi-rail run out in front to check the track?? Rail fans have to police themselves before others do. I was at South Fork a few years ago and saw a "foamer" running around like he was out of his mind. Sad.
In 1986 I was at Bayview Junction outside Hamilton, Ontario. I was chatting with some local railfans when a car drove past us and down to the old abandoned interlocking tower a couple of hundred yards from us.
Somebody gets out and stands there leaning against the tower.
A little while later we hear radio transmissions and one of the locals says that they don't sound right. The voice purported to be the dispatcher and was calling trains and talking to the crews.
A short time after that a railroad bull pulls up and asks us if we've seen anyone suspicious in the area. We point out the car near the tower and tell the cop that there is a guy hanging around the tower. He thanks us and drives down there. We see him talking to the guy and then we see him cuffing him.
Turns out the guy had a two-way radio capable of transmitting on the railroad frequency and was talking BS to train crews.
Unfortunately, there are kooks associated with our hobby and some may be more dangerous than others.
Originally Posted by oscaletrains:
Sorry, but it happened. Though I don't know exactly where the wheels were removed and replaced. I do know that a few days later the engine came through town on TP&W tracks.
It did NOT happen on the TP&W RR. We arrived on the TP&W May 2, 1980, and during all the time we were there, we did NOT un-truck the tender, and she ran for many years with plain bearings on the tender and trailing truck. As Rich stated above, the tender wasn't up-graded to roller bearings until just a few years ago.
Great piece of history - interesting
When I was a kid I really did not care that much for steam at first.But after seeing movies from the 30 and 40 and 50s.I started to like them the steamers.Because of the side rods motion all those working parts.Oh and one saturday morning cbs did a story on 614.Seeing locomotives like that brings a smile to my face.Its a safe bet that rich sees a lot of smiling faces.Young and old its hard to belive 765 sat in a park for a few years.But I am glad they got together and got her running again.So to the people who worked hard and got 765 back into operation I tip my hat to rich and all who work on her.
Like I said, I don't exactly know where the wheels were changed out, but I do know that they were. And I do know that not long afterward the engine came through town on the TP&W rails.
The wheel sets that came into the wheel shop were friction bearing axles with what looked like fairly new Armco wheels mounted on them. The tender probably received them not very long before its retiring. They then sat under the tender till 1980 by which time they were to be scrapped on site by AAR rules. So wherever the engine was at that time, TP&W trackage or not, wheel sets were removed from the tender and we replaced the wheels on the original axles with multi wear P33's and that's what took place. I do not remember how many sets there were back then that came in, maybe not all 6 sets got new wheels at that time, but me not being senile yet, I know it happened.
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by oscaletrains:
Sorry, but it happened. Though I don't know exactly where the wheels were removed and replaced. I do know that a few days later the engine came through town on TP&W tracks.
It did NOT happen on the TP&W RR. We arrived on the TP&W May 2, 1980, and during all the time we were there, we did NOT un-truck the tender, and she ran for many years with plain bearings on the tender and trailing truck. As Rich stated above, the tender wasn't up-graded to roller bearings until just a few years ago.
Quick question for Rich Melvin (I would greatly appreciate learning about this) about slipping with the 765 or other super power engines. I run 1/8scale 7.5" gauge steam locomotives including a NKP 765 Berk and a NKP 611 Mike. When pulling 30 cars figuring each car weighs somewhere around 300lbs on average, when I begin slipping on a steep grade and in danger of stalling at extremely slow speeds, I often open the cylinder cocks to relieve cylinder pressure as it seems to allow me to much more easily adjust the throttle and keep the locomotive from slipping. I know this works quite well on these 1.5" scale engines, but was curious if you have ever used this tactic or have heard of it being used on full scale locomotives. I know this really isn't the reason for having cylinder cocks, but I have always been curious if it would relieve to much steam pressure and not allow you to build enough cylinder pressure to get power to the drivers. Thanks in advance,
~Zach Mikko
Is putting stuff on the tracks like grease breaking FEDERAL law?
OGR Webmaster posted:Originally Posted by LLKJR:Was it A-No-1 and Cigaret?
Who knows...could have been. Where was Shack when we needed him?
That was a great movie.
Yes great movie. The scenes where there was thick fog in the yard is intense!
OGR Webmaster posted:
Did they ever catch the little imp that did that?
I'm confused.
765 ran into greased rails before too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjqc5C8vmY
That time, they had been greased by a RR employee for a legitimate reason although, apparently he got grease on the rail tops as well as on the side where it was supposed to be to lessen flange drag? Is this not correct?
So, sometimes rails are greased for reasons other than the vandalism we see here?
Also, would not a diesel have had the same slippage problem on greasy rails?
