I'm getting close!
Alright! The JLC green five-stripe is on its way to me. I'm getting close!
I'm getting close!
Chessie / GG 1 4877 ..Do you find the JLC issues to be better runners than the recent MTH proto 2 issues.. granted the JLC's have better detail and sounds but how do they perform...
Joe,
I have found both the recent MTH's and the JLC's to be very good runners. They both have very good slow speed control and both have the heft to pull a lot of cars.
My preference in terms of model fidelity is the JLC, but the trade off is the pantographs, which in my opinion are junk. They are not operable off a trolley wire and since the design has no flexibility, they cannot even run with a dummy wire in place. My front pantograph failed after 4 hours of operation and does not move up or down.
The MTH is an excellent model, but is a bit short and lacks the refinement of detail of the JLC, but the pantographs are much better designed.
Those are the major operational differences I see. Of course you have your TMCC vs. DCS issue as well.
I have found both the recent MTH's and the JLC's to be very good runners. They both have very good slow speed control and both have the heft to pull a lot of cars.
My preference in terms of model fidelity is the JLC, but the trade off is the pantographs, which in my opinion are junk. They are not operable off a trolley wire and since the design has no flexibility, they cannot even run with a dummy wire in place. My front pantograph failed after 4 hours of operation and does not move up or down.
The MTH is an excellent model, but is a bit short and lacks the refinement of detail of the JLC, but the pantographs are much better designed.
Those are the major operational differences I see. Of course you have your TMCC vs. DCS issue as well.
quote:Alright! The JLC green five-stripe is on its way to me. I'm getting close!
Chessie Man, Looks like you are getting close to needing more shelving :-)
That's Johnsgg1's display. I'm trying to catch up with him! 
I'm not crazy about the Penn Central or the tuscan single stripe models though. You never know, I changed my mind about the silver model.
It would be nice to have some scale silver Congressinal/Senator cars to run behind these GG1s. Growing up on the southern end of the northeast corridor, I never saw the GG1s pulling anything but silver streamlined passenger cars.
I'm not crazy about the Penn Central or the tuscan single stripe models though. You never know, I changed my mind about the silver model.It would be nice to have some scale silver Congressinal/Senator cars to run behind these GG1s. Growing up on the southern end of the northeast corridor, I never saw the GG1s pulling anything but silver streamlined passenger cars.
It's here!quote:Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Alright! The JLC green five-stripe is on its way to me.
Just getting some pictures into the thread they belong in. I know they are a bit redundant from other posts, so accept my apologies if you've seen these.
For anyone interested, this is the 2nd Weaver GG1 released with 4816 in 5 stripe DGLE being the first. No Protosound option, no flywheels and no horn. It was a limited edition of ONLY 500. In today's market that seems like a lot.
For anyone interested, this is the 2nd Weaver GG1 released with 4816 in 5 stripe DGLE being the first. No Protosound option, no flywheels and no horn. It was a limited edition of ONLY 500. In today's market that seems like a lot.
Hi Johnathon! I love your Kadee coupler retrofits and the resultant close coupling you get!
Since your thread may be around for years to come as the ultimate reference on GG1's I thought I would add this supersize photo of my model of the PRR's Senator! Because it was a long haul Washington to Boston train she carried a B60 baggage car with her. That is a MTH GG1 leading the Weaver B60 with Lionel Congressional streamlined cars.
Tom
Since your thread may be around for years to come as the ultimate reference on GG1's I thought I would add this supersize photo of my model of the PRR's Senator! Because it was a long haul Washington to Boston train she carried a B60 baggage car with her. That is a MTH GG1 leading the Weaver B60 with Lionel Congressional streamlined cars.
Tom
Sand Patch Tom-
Do you have any more scale GG1s to share?
Do you have any more scale GG1s to share?
I got my models for little over half of the MSRP.quote:Originally posted by AlanH:quote:Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Is anyone buying the Lionel JLC silver GG1 at the blowout price?
No.
With the rumors running rampent 4 years ago about Lionel's forthcoming replacement/upgrade of TMCC (now revealed
as Legacy), I was surprized (can you say shocked) to see them release their first scale version of a Pennsylvania GG1
with TMCC 1.
I kept asking myself.... "Why would anyone spend MSRP $899.99 on the older TMMC 1 ( 2004 Volume 2 ), when you just knew that it would soon be replaced by the new (Legacy) command system? "
Well...... I guess a few people bought them anyway.
Personally, I'm still holding out for the Legacy version. (What a great excuse for not spending a lot of money!!)
Hi Chessie Man! Here are some from my Photobucket album when the MTH "The East Wind" GG! passenger set came out. I did not purchase the East Wind add on cars at the time the set came out because the yellow East Wind cars were out of my early fifties time period. Well....it's my railroad and I'll do what I want! I love these cars so much I want a whole train and screw the time period! I asked Andy from MTH at York this fall if they were going to make the add on cars once again available for the New Haven EP-3 "The East Wind" passenger set offered in the 2008 volume 2 catalog and he said that even though they were not in the catalog they were indeed making the add on cars! So if anybody missed out on the first round of these cars they are coming out again and the last time I looked, the GG! "The East Wind" passenger set was still available on the MTH locator!
Tom
Tom
Thanks for sharing!
Growing up near D.C. exposed me to lots of B&O blue and GG1 action on the rails. I witnessed lots of single stripe GG1s in action. One of my neighbors had a Lionel tuscan red 5-stripe GG1 and the aluminum congressional cars. Boy, was I envious! I wanted a model GG1 ever since then. I did not get one until Weaver produced the brass "scale" GG1s, and I bought the DGLE 5-stripe model. When Williams introduced its plastic bodied "scale" GG1, I bought one each of the DGLE and red 5-stripe models. That was the extent of my GG1 collection until Jonathan started this thread!
Well, now I have some command controlled GG1s and some nice head end cars for them to pull. I would love to own the rumored Golden Gate Depot Congressional set!
Growing up near D.C. exposed me to lots of B&O blue and GG1 action on the rails. I witnessed lots of single stripe GG1s in action. One of my neighbors had a Lionel tuscan red 5-stripe GG1 and the aluminum congressional cars. Boy, was I envious! I wanted a model GG1 ever since then. I did not get one until Weaver produced the brass "scale" GG1s, and I bought the DGLE 5-stripe model. When Williams introduced its plastic bodied "scale" GG1, I bought one each of the DGLE and red 5-stripe models. That was the extent of my GG1 collection until Jonathan started this thread!
Well, now I have some command controlled GG1s and some nice head end cars for them to pull. I would love to own the rumored Golden Gate Depot Congressional set!
The GGD set seems to have been elevated from more than a rumor, but not quite a fact yet. That's fine by me. With my preorder status, I could stand to wait until the first of the year to preorder some new items. That train will absolutely be on my list.
It will be funny to see the Congressional taking the wrong turn at Rahway and ending up on my little NY&LB!
Tom thanks for your contributions to this thread.
In the meantime, so other G photos for some fun.
Competition arrives on the property.
Mail and express traffic heading for Bayhead, NJ
A few of the real deal up close and personal. Nothing like my kids to show off the scale of these!
It will be funny to see the Congressional taking the wrong turn at Rahway and ending up on my little NY&LB!
Tom thanks for your contributions to this thread.
In the meantime, so other G photos for some fun.
Competition arrives on the property.
Mail and express traffic heading for Bayhead, NJ
A few of the real deal up close and personal. Nothing like my kids to show off the scale of these!
Hi Jonathon! Nice Kodak moment there with your beautiful daughters and the 4935 GG1! How often do you get to make the pilgramage back East to Pennsy land?
Tom
Tom
Jonathan,
Great photos and your daughters sure look happy with their favorite locomotive.
You mentioned in one of your posts on this thread that you felt the JLC GG1's would not allow catenary running and, you may remember, I suggested I would use MTH catenary raised 1/4 to 1/2 inch above the level of the pantograph to ensure safety. Are you still of the opinion that the catenary would not work in such a case? In other words, should I assume that pantograph height on the GG-1 is, for all intents and purposes, not set and could "wander upwards" with disastrous results? Perhaps I could "set" the wire higher and still achieve some realistic effect.
I am so tired of watching my beasts go without food.
eliot
Great photos and your daughters sure look happy with their favorite locomotive.
You mentioned in one of your posts on this thread that you felt the JLC GG1's would not allow catenary running and, you may remember, I suggested I would use MTH catenary raised 1/4 to 1/2 inch above the level of the pantograph to ensure safety. Are you still of the opinion that the catenary would not work in such a case? In other words, should I assume that pantograph height on the GG-1 is, for all intents and purposes, not set and could "wander upwards" with disastrous results? Perhaps I could "set" the wire higher and still achieve some realistic effect.
I am so tired of watching my beasts go without food.
eliot
Jonathan....
I just want you to know that it is your fault for my upcoming bankruptcy due to you starting this thread!! I always loved the GG-1 and it has been my favorite locomotive but the continuous running of this thread has brought onto my layout 30 O-scale versions of this beast!!...Yeah, and I blame you because you are like the "dealer" on the street that keeps tempting us that have GG-1itis!! LOL!! Perhaps I should contact Locolawyer and see if we can do something about you...maybe a "GG-1 Class" action lawsuit or something!! Hey, all in jest but just wanted to let you know that in all honestly, in my opinion, this has been the best thread on this forum...of course I am just slightly biased! Keep it going and you will be able to tune in to national television to listen to the latest layoffs on the TLC railroad so that we can continue to add to the GG-1 roster!
Thanks,
Alan
I just want you to know that it is your fault for my upcoming bankruptcy due to you starting this thread!! I always loved the GG-1 and it has been my favorite locomotive but the continuous running of this thread has brought onto my layout 30 O-scale versions of this beast!!...Yeah, and I blame you because you are like the "dealer" on the street that keeps tempting us that have GG-1itis!! LOL!! Perhaps I should contact Locolawyer and see if we can do something about you...maybe a "GG-1 Class" action lawsuit or something!! Hey, all in jest but just wanted to let you know that in all honestly, in my opinion, this has been the best thread on this forum...of course I am just slightly biased! Keep it going and you will be able to tune in to national television to listen to the latest layoffs on the TLC railroad so that we can continue to add to the GG-1 roster!
Thanks,
Alan
Tom - I am embarrassed to say that my last pilgramage prior to my summer trip was in 1978 or 1979 and prior to that in 1972 when I was three .....
Not nearly enough trips to appreciate it much. I've actually seen 4856 in Harrisburg much more since I used to take the Broadway Limited from Ft. Wayne, In to Trenton, NJ during college in the late 80's and early 90's.
Eliot - I think your idea has merit on the catenary. The Lionel pantograph ismost definitely fixed has about 1/8" - 1/4" play at the full extension on that model. It rides about the same height about 1/2" taller than the Weaver, MTH, Williams verions, but 3rd Rail seems to have the correct prototypical design, because those pans reach for the sky! If you gave yourself as little as 1/4" clearance and kept it consistent, I don't see why the Lionel pantograph would snag on the wire. I was out in the train room and just noticed the difference in height!
Typically on mainline running, the trolley wire is about where the height of theLionel MTH version is, but it tended to drop in low clearance areas like the covered stations at NYC, Newark, 30th Street and DC as well as the Hudson tubes where the clearance was very tight. However in the storage areas, such as Kearny, South Amboy, Wilmington, the Pot yard, Harrisburg, and Enola, the wires were much higher for safety. Again 3rd Rail seems to be the only major manufacturer who has a pantograph that reaches that high.
Alan - I agree, it's an addiction for those who love this locomotive. I am still sitting at 13 currently in 0, but around 60 in all scales. I keep adding them as pricing seems right though. Right now, I'd love to track down a reasonable Lionel PC version, the Weaver Amtrak version, MTH Conrail 4844 and Tuscan PRR 4910. I am also patiently waiting for 3rd Rail to finish up the 4800 and it looks like I'll still be getting a Bicentennial version to go with the wide 5 stripe version. If I could reasonably afford it, I would order all the versions.
Overall, now I'm focusing on getting my cars for these trains in order too. I'm doing well on the freight side, picking up all the Conrail legacy carrier cars to make a good 1976 - 1977 era freight and finishing up some various passenger car projects to get a reasonable commuter train and a heavy head end style train with a mixture of streamlined and heavyweight cars. I can't wait for the announcement on the Congo too.
Not nearly enough trips to appreciate it much. I've actually seen 4856 in Harrisburg much more since I used to take the Broadway Limited from Ft. Wayne, In to Trenton, NJ during college in the late 80's and early 90's.
Eliot - I think your idea has merit on the catenary. The Lionel pantograph is
Typically on mainline running, the trolley wire is about where the height of the
Alan - I agree, it's an addiction for those who love this locomotive. I am still sitting at 13 currently in 0, but around 60 in all scales. I keep adding them as pricing seems right though. Right now, I'd love to track down a reasonable Lionel PC version, the Weaver Amtrak version, MTH Conrail 4844 and Tuscan PRR 4910. I am also patiently waiting for 3rd Rail to finish up the 4800 and it looks like I'll still be getting a Bicentennial version to go with the wide 5 stripe version. If I could reasonably afford it, I would order all the versions.
Overall, now I'm focusing on getting my cars for these trains in order too. I'm doing well on the freight side, picking up all the Conrail legacy carrier cars to make a good 1976 - 1977 era freight and finishing up some various passenger car projects to get a reasonable commuter train and a heavy head end style train with a mixture of streamlined and heavyweight cars. I can't wait for the announcement on the Congo too.
Jonathan--
How did you get your GIF image train to couple together?
How did you get your GIF image train to couple together?
Chessie - I edited mine in Photoshop to be a single image. I also added the rail and ties as well at the catenary system above. With only 72dpi and 256 colors to work in, I was working at a single pixel at at time on time.
I also used Adobe Image Ready to do this animated version, but I screwed up some of the frames. It represents the daily changing of the guard at South Amboy during the NJDOT era.
Photoshop is fun, but you could probably do it just as easily in Paint or one of those other graphic programs too.
I also used Adobe Image Ready to do this animated version, but I screwed up some of the frames. It represents the daily changing of the guard at South Amboy during the NJDOT era.
Photoshop is fun, but you could probably do it just as easily in Paint or one of those other graphic programs too.
Thanks, Jonathan. I see that Golden Gate Depot has announced some lightweight Atlantic Coast Line cars. Did anyone mention that here previously? ACL cars would look very nice behind a GG1.
I heard a little rumor that the reason the Lionel GG1 is so close to scale is that they purchased a Kohs and copied it. I'm not complaining, because I can't afford a Kohs as much as I like to pretend that someday I could. Joe enjoy it, the Lionel is the finest example under $1000.00 GG1 at the moment.
That is likely until 3rd Rail releases the 4800 version.
Chessie - ACL cars would look great with this loco, especially trading cars with an ABA set of E6s!
That is likely until 3rd Rail releases the 4800 version.
Chessie - ACL cars would look great with this loco, especially trading cars with an ABA set of E6s!
Those e units would have to be RF&P!
quote:Those e units would have to be RF&P!
What was I thinking!
Chessie Man said,
Hi Chessie Man! Don't forget the ice storm incident from the first page of this thread! I am sure it probably was not the first or the last time there was a run-through of power like this when RF&P units were not available.
Tom
quote:Those e units would have to be RF&P!
Hi Chessie Man! Don't forget the ice storm incident from the first page of this thread! I am sure it probably was not the first or the last time there was a run-through of power like this when RF&P units were not available.
Tom
True Tom. Seaboard Air Line units ran through to DC more so that the Atlantic Coast Line units. After the ACL-SBD merger, black Seaboard Coast Line units ran through most of the time and the RF&P E8s units handled some fast freights.
Jonathan,
This thread has taken on a life of its own. I keep coming back to it, obviously.
I am beginning to think of this thread as . . .
"The 'Mother' of all GG-1" threads . . .
or . . . perhaps . . .
The broom and bucket from Fantasia . . .
The everlasting GG-1
Happy New Year
eliot
This thread has taken on a life of its own. I keep coming back to it, obviously.
I am beginning to think of this thread as . . .
"The 'Mother' of all GG-1" threads . . .
or . . . perhaps . . .
The broom and bucket from Fantasia . . .
The everlasting GG-1
Happy New Year
eliot
Just a historical note or two regarding the B&O and the PRR on coming into New York. The USRA during WW I ordered the B&O and Lehigh Valley to use Penn Station in New York City because of heavy PRR traffic demands and under-utilization of those other two railroads.
B&O was delighted with that, as it put them on a more equal competitive footing with the PRR. B&O trains were run over the Lehigh Valley from the Reading junction at Manville NJ to Mahattan Transfer. Reading power was generally used for that, running through from B&O's 24th and Chestnut Street station in Philadelphia.
PRR DD-1's took the B&O trains into Penn Station and over to Sunnyside Yard for servicing. B&O's President Daniel Willard managed to get the Penn Station lease extended for several years after WW I. By 1925, the PRR claimed it no longer had room enough to handle the B&O trains. The Lehigh Valley trains stayed on at Penn Station until their end.
For its leased use of Penn Station, B&O agreed not to handle any sleepers running through from the South or to points beyond New York City. Train length was limited as well to about 12 cars. Not much color back then though, aside from Pullman Green and PRR Tuscan Red. B&O blue cars would not return until l935. They had been blue previously for "Royal Blue Line" NY to DC service only, in the 1890's.
So B&O had to go back to Jersey City on the CNJ and use the ferry connection again. CNJ up-graded their main-line and built a new four-track steel trestle with quadruple lift bridges for their crossing of lower Newark Bay. This eliminated a long, slow crossing on wooden pile trestle work with Sherzer rolling lift bridges of the 1890's. B&O stepped up NY service with more 'class' using motor coach (they NEVER used the word "bus") connections from train-side to various New York City, Brooklyn and Newark NJ points. B&O also bought new Class P-7 4-6-2 locomotives for DC to NY service from Baldwin, which were named for the US Presidents.
When PRR upgraded their NE corridor main-line for the new and coming
"Metroliners," B&O and other railroads as well, pooled certain passenger cars that had been up-graded for 100 MPH+ service along those tracks.
As for "ownership" of the Reading and CNJ by B&O, it wasn't a total thing. The Reading Company was jointly owned by the B&O and New York Central, each holding a considerable share (85% between them) of Reading stock. The Reading in turn had a majority interest in the CNJ, but by no means fully 'owned' the line.
Railroads often invested their money in other railroads. UP at one time was a large B&O stock holder as was the Santa Fe, for example. If a railroad's interest in another line grew too great and they were ordered to divest by the ICC, they often transferred those shares to their own stockholders as a dividend, rather then sell them outright and thereby possibly depress the market value. This was how the UP divested itself from a large share it once held in the B&O.
Ed Bommer
B&O was delighted with that, as it put them on a more equal competitive footing with the PRR. B&O trains were run over the Lehigh Valley from the Reading junction at Manville NJ to Mahattan Transfer. Reading power was generally used for that, running through from B&O's 24th and Chestnut Street station in Philadelphia.
PRR DD-1's took the B&O trains into Penn Station and over to Sunnyside Yard for servicing. B&O's President Daniel Willard managed to get the Penn Station lease extended for several years after WW I. By 1925, the PRR claimed it no longer had room enough to handle the B&O trains. The Lehigh Valley trains stayed on at Penn Station until their end.
For its leased use of Penn Station, B&O agreed not to handle any sleepers running through from the South or to points beyond New York City. Train length was limited as well to about 12 cars. Not much color back then though, aside from Pullman Green and PRR Tuscan Red. B&O blue cars would not return until l935. They had been blue previously for "Royal Blue Line" NY to DC service only, in the 1890's.
So B&O had to go back to Jersey City on the CNJ and use the ferry connection again. CNJ up-graded their main-line and built a new four-track steel trestle with quadruple lift bridges for their crossing of lower Newark Bay. This eliminated a long, slow crossing on wooden pile trestle work with Sherzer rolling lift bridges of the 1890's. B&O stepped up NY service with more 'class' using motor coach (they NEVER used the word "bus") connections from train-side to various New York City, Brooklyn and Newark NJ points. B&O also bought new Class P-7 4-6-2 locomotives for DC to NY service from Baldwin, which were named for the US Presidents.
When PRR upgraded their NE corridor main-line for the new and coming
"Metroliners," B&O and other railroads as well, pooled certain passenger cars that had been up-graded for 100 MPH+ service along those tracks.
As for "ownership" of the Reading and CNJ by B&O, it wasn't a total thing. The Reading Company was jointly owned by the B&O and New York Central, each holding a considerable share (85% between them) of Reading stock. The Reading in turn had a majority interest in the CNJ, but by no means fully 'owned' the line.
Railroads often invested their money in other railroads. UP at one time was a large B&O stock holder as was the Santa Fe, for example. If a railroad's interest in another line grew too great and they were ordered to divest by the ICC, they often transferred those shares to their own stockholders as a dividend, rather then sell them outright and thereby possibly depress the market value. This was how the UP divested itself from a large share it once held in the B&O.
Ed Bommer
I apologize for not reading all 5 pages, but I was wondering how the post-war GG-1's compared. I picked up a 2360 a few years back with the double motor and it is a powerful runner. As far as its visual features how does it compare? Thanks
I'd like to see the scale unit sitting next to a PW GG1, if only for laughs.
Perhaps you posted your inquiry on the wrong thread? This thread discusses and compares the scale length GG1s, not the shorties that you are inquiring about. I notice that there are some other threads on the forum that discuss the shorties that you are interested in.quote:Originally posted by welder:
I apologize for not reading all 5 pages, but I was wondering how the post-war GG-1's compared. I picked up a 2360 a few years back with the double motor and it is a powerful runner. As far as its visual features how does it compare? Thanks
quote:Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Perhaps you posted your inquiry on the wrong thread? This thread discusses and compares the scale length GG1s, not the shorties that you are inquiring about. I notice that there are some other threads on the forum that discuss the shorties that you are interested in.
I agree there are lots of threads on PW GG1s, but I could not find any that did a comparison between the PWs and the scale GG1s. -- And I did check before posting.
Lord knows this thread has wandered around a bit(how to get GIFs train images to couple??), so the questions from welder and myself do not seem that much off topic.
I wish I had a photo to compare the two, but I don't. All mine are scale size. Let me see if I can do a verbal description.
The PW GG1 at 14 1/2" inches is noticeably different in detail and design. Compared to the 19-1/2" scale version you will see that the the PW version simply feels - short. Now in an environment of smaller radius trains, this wouldn't be much of an issue, but put it next to any of the scale Railking offerings of MTH or Atlas Trainman line equipment, the size issue does become relevant.
As to detail, there was not a lot of detail on these locomotives to start, and that was by design, these were representative of pre-war modernism in every sense of the word. Imagine that in the mid 30's you had you UP M10000 and the Budd self propelled Zephyrs, but this locomotive showed that you could have modern grace and brute force combined in a single package. The main thing to note is that the entire PW GG1 will only come up to past the second set of windows on a scale version.
The result is the proportions get compressed quite a bit. However the locomotive is the same width and height as the scale version. I think the main details a PW version will lack are things like the detailed pilot, the extra detailing on the pantographs, refinement in the trucks and running gear, and the prototypical numbers. GG1s were numbered 4800-4838 with 4800 being a riveted prototype that is a seperate class unto its own in a way. The 2332, 2360 numbers from the pw era were typical of not applying prototype numbers to trains at the time.
As to the running qualities, they are both fine runners, its really just a function of your interests. Since I grew up around the real thing and rode a few trains pulled by GG1s, they have always been in the 80' range to me. I could not get used to a shorter version. But that's just me. If your pw versions suits your needs than perfect.
Not side, by side, but:
The PW GG1 at 14 1/2" inches is noticeably different in detail and design. Compared to the 19-1/2" scale version you will see that the the PW version simply feels - short. Now in an environment of smaller radius trains, this wouldn't be much of an issue, but put it next to any of the scale Railking offerings of MTH or Atlas Trainman line equipment, the size issue does become relevant.
As to detail, there was not a lot of detail on these locomotives to start, and that was by design, these were representative of pre-war modernism in every sense of the word. Imagine that in the mid 30's you had you UP M10000 and the Budd self propelled Zephyrs, but this locomotive showed that you could have modern grace and brute force combined in a single package. The main thing to note is that the entire PW GG1 will only come up to past the second set of windows on a scale version.
The result is the proportions get compressed quite a bit. However the locomotive is the same width and height as the scale version. I think the main details a PW version will lack are things like the detailed pilot, the extra detailing on the pantographs, refinement in the trucks and running gear, and the prototypical numbers. GG1s were numbered 4800-4838 with 4800 being a riveted prototype that is a seperate class unto its own in a way. The 2332, 2360 numbers from the pw era were typical of not applying prototype numbers to trains at the time.
As to the running qualities, they are both fine runners, its really just a function of your interests. Since I grew up around the real thing and rode a few trains pulled by GG1s, they have always been in the 80' range to me. I could not get used to a shorter version. But that's just me. If your pw versions suits your needs than perfect.
Not side, by side, but:
quote:
Not side, by side, but:
Thanks for the post. Good info!
Any fan of this engine should invest in the dvd "The Magnificient GG1" by Mark 1 video.... exceptional footage of these engines pullling anything and everything from the Sunnyside yards through NJ and finally over the Morrisville bridge into Philly.. also early film on the origination of this monster..
origination of this monster..
Joe... I think a more appropriate moniker is Leviathan, don't you?
Joe... I think a more appropriate moniker is Leviathan, don't you?
Jonathan,
Nice job sir, thanks for taking the time to put this all together. Very impressive comparisons.
NASA/Dave
Nice job sir, thanks for taking the time to put this all together. Very impressive comparisons.
NASA/Dave
quote:I'd like to see the scale unit sitting next to a PW GG1, if only for laughs.
While not "side by side" here is a photo of some of Lionel's finest--scale and historic "O".
That is an impressive photo. I have been trying to learn about the Lionel and K-Line GG-1s. It would be really neat to see a list with side view pictures of all the GG-1s, dates, features, and also TMCC and sound if any.
A nice job with this one...
