I think the starched outfit and the shoes give it away. Don
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Yes - with that level of starch it takes three steps before the suit actually moves....
Also, you wouldn't use oil in that location...
LOL!
How was that image intended to be used? Whatever it was, the people involved were clueless.
You guys are heartless, it is a photo saying good looking ladies can now run train locomotives. maybe a WW2 photo, you know "Rosie the riveter" maybe she was " Lucy the Loco driver" or "Lilly can now drive your engine loco" 
And you can put that oil anywhere on the loco your sweet little heart wants to.
Just guessing.
FORMER OGR CEO - RETIRED posted:LOL!
How was that image intended to be used? Whatever it was, the people involved were clueless.
So are 98% of the folks who saw this.
My mom was a Rosie the Riveter, made p-38's at Crown Can, before I came along. Women did most things during the war, made planes,shuttled planes, probably drove trains.
Might have been 18 here. The funny thing here was she really did put the rivets into P-38 fighters.
Oldmike
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What a wonderful photo of your Mom, Mike.
By that time didn,t the locomotives have self lubrication system?Not to be mean she a very pretty lady.
If you hold your cursor over the image that tells you Miss Priscilla Dean is the conductor and that the photo was taken in 1925. Not sure about automatic oilers in 1925, if that would be an appropriate place to oil a loco or if she really was a conductor. I'd feel comfortable believing her name and the date, however.
But, she is...
"In 1974, Leake became the first woman accepted by UP for training as a locomotive engineer. After undergoing a physical, intense scrutiny and six months of training, Engineer Bonnie Leake became a so-called “hoghead on the drag west,” running trains from Las Vegas to Milford, Utah, and Yermo, California."
Rusty
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OldMike posted:My mom was a Rosie the Riveter, made p-38's at Crown Can,
So was mine at Martin Baltimore helping to build bombers until she was transferred to the office where her skills were better used.
My dad used to ferry bombers around the US before they went overseas, does that count?
gunrunnerjohn posted:My dad used to ferry bombers around the US before they went overseas, does that count?
No.
My mom was not a riveter but she did work on the factory floor at White Motor Company where they built halftracks. By the way, my dad flew B-17s over Europe.
I think the only thing my dad could have bombed was an American city, but I'm sure he was missing the bombs for the ferry flights. 
He was flying the B24 across the country, don't know if he ever flew the B17.
About 1976, I can recall seeing a lady riding high through Truckee training to run em.
Fast forward, the world has changed a lot.
Oldest daughter is the person in charge, manufacturing high tech machines, Boston. Graduate Grove City College.
Second daughter is an AE, Architectural Engineer, Graduate Penn State University.
Third daughter, also graduated, Penn State University, computer science, fixes all those glitches in software. Relatively good at what she does, lives Baltimore MD, works, via the internet, for a company Sharon, PA.
WOW we all know 8 women total involved in engineering and technology. What strides made!
As many of you no doubt know, the Chemistry and Physics Nobel Prizes in 2018 were shared by women scientists. About 50% of medical students are now women. A bit of a change from 1925 
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My coworker is a mechanical engineer like myself. She can hold her own with any other engineer in the power industry. (Heck - I recruited her to work with again when we needed to fill that position.) When I took my engineering degree I would say about 15% of the students were women, including my “little sister” in the fraternity I belonged to. I know several women in positions of importance in engineering, environmental compliance, chemistry, safety, heavy equipment operations etc.
And as long as we are talking WW2 construction relations, my grandfather assembled Hellcat cockpit components at Grumman on Long Island during the war.
jhz563 posted:My coworker is a mechanical engineer like myself. She can hold her own with any other engineer in the power industry. (Heck - I recruited her to work with again when we needed to fill that position.) When I took my engineering degree I would say about 15% of the students were women, including my “little sister” in the fraternity I belonged to. …...
My Mom was a young kid US Army nurse during WWII. Then, continued to be a nurse throughout her life. Not many options for women back then, for the most part.
Now, I go back to Rutgers U Engineering where I attended in the '80s, and there are many women, in all of the engineering departments. Both American and foreign students. Women faculty members. There's a chapter of the national women engineers sorority thriving on campus.
Things have changed, and that's good.
My grandfather and his 2nd wife built Liberty & Victory Ships for Kaiser Shipyards in the 1940's
He was a foreman and she was a welder, Kaiser Shipyards welder steel instead of rivets.
She later built contract office furniture, and gambled at poker games.
They rode the trains and trolleys to the shipyards from their home in San Francisco.
A lady PA saved my caboose spotting a Melanoma growth on my back on a check up.. I am not positive but I think women are better at certain things then men, giving birth, giveing milk, typing, cooking ( not cooking at my house) driving a car into things, talking nonstop, the list is endless
seaboardm2 posted:By that time didn,t the locomotives have self lubrication system?
No, not for the side rods. More modern steam locomotives had mechanical lubricators for supplying machine oil to axle bearings and crosshead guides plus a separate mechanical lubricator for supplying valve (steam) oil to the valves and cylinders. Note that the side rods in the photo have grease fittings, thus her use of the oil can is just a prop by an unknowing photographer.
Not to be mean she a very pretty lady.
"Dear John ------------"
dkdkrd posted:OTOH....
Soooo.... Perhaps this new recruit had such a mom. On her first few days of railroad service in helping with the war effort she wanted a picture for posterity. And, there's mom's contribution as evidence of her up bringing...'training' (
And her mom!!!
First person in the family to work for the railroad!!! Such pride!!!
And the young man who's job she stepped in to fill?.......He fought to give us much to be Thankful for, and especially remembered and honored each November. Maybe he even came home to marry mom's pride-and-joy. Lucky guy!
Maybe?
KD
No, not "maybe." the photo was taken 15 years before WWII. She isn't "Rosie." The photo shows a silent-era actress, probably doing PR for a movie. The "conductor" label was applied by a lay person who doesn't know the difference between a conductor and an engineer/fireman.
It seems here everybody is second guessing what the picture was, in the end, today the picture means nothing except it is a nice picture of a nice looking woman next to a train, nothing more.
Dave
david1 posted:It seems here everybody is second guessing what the picture was, in the end, today the picture means nothing except it is a nice picture of a nice looking woman next to a train, nothing more.
Dave
Well, to be more correct, she is NOT "next to a train"! She is POSED next to a steam locomotive.
Re the locomotive, my guess is an Erie USRA heavy 4-6-2. Due to Erie's NJ proximity to New York City, pretty much the capital of advertising in 1925. Any other bets?
What blows my mind is that so many of you stuffed shirts are dissing on a photo that was taken nearly a hundred years ago! Not only that, but women were barely on board for having won the right to VOTE. Does that fact alone tell you anything about the concept of fairness?
"fairness" ?? The 3 women on the steam engine look like Germans or French.
Can't hazard a guess on the 3 ladies' ethnicity, but suspect they will be busy for quite a while, wiping a 498,000 lb C&NW Class H 4-8-4 !
jim pastorius posted:"fairness" ?? The 3 women on the steam engine look like Germans or French.
Jack Delano photograph of the women of the Chicago & North Western Railroad roundhouse in Clinton, Iowa
OldMike posted:My mom was a Rosie the Riveter, made p-38's at Crown Can, before I came along. Women did most things during the war, made planes,shuttled planes, probably drove trains.
Might have been 18 here. The funny thing here was she really did put the rivets into P-38 fighters.
Oldmike
My mother riveted on B-17s in Seattle ... until she was showing at about 5 months ... they made her quit. Wonder what all that hammering did while I was in the womb .....
pennsy484 posted:jim pastorius posted:"fairness" ?? The 3 women on the steam engine look like Germans or French.
Jack Delano photograph of the women of the Chicago & North Western Railroad roundhouse in Clinton, Iowa
Here's a couple more of the ladies at work:
BTW, I once spent the day years ago wiping down IRM's 1630 between runs for the calendar photo. It was NOT a fun job...
Rusty
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John Pignatelli JR. posted:A lady PA saved my caboose spotting a Melanoma growth on my back on a check up.. I am not positive but I think women are better at certain things then men, giving birth, giveing milk, typing, cooking ( not cooking at my house) driving a car into things, talking nonstop, the list is endless
You left out "spell check"...maybe "we" haven't made so much progress after all...
Mark in Oregon
Back to the original photo. Clearly this is a staged photo with a brand new engine. Just look how clean everything is! I strongly suspect an engine with any appreciable service time on it would be showing quite a bit of general dirtiness.
But I do have a question, most likely for Hotwater or Rich. On the drivers, just inboard of the tires, are a row of either acorn nuts or rivets. What is their purpose? I don't remember seeing these on either the NKP 756 or the RDG 2102.
Chris
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jim pastorius posted:"fairness" ?? The 3 women on the steam engine look like Germans or French.
Definitely not foreigners. Look at the locomotive.
I know santa fe had some wemen working on the railroad.
