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I am debating if I should sell off my 1 remaining PS2 locomotive and convert my other to TMCC, and run my layout 100% Legacy or TMCC.  I originally was going to run everything with my DCS handheld until a friend bought over a Legacy locomotive.  I was hooked on Legacy ever since.  I had an AIU that I was going to run all my switches though but ended up buying all command Fastrack switches and really made wiring much easier.  I figured I could recoup 50% or so of my 1 locomotive conversion by selling its PS2 innards.  The one thing I will loose is my variable channel on my TIU, but I was thinking I could mount my transformer and run anything conventional with the transformer handels.  

 

Now I am not trying to start a war here, but I was wondering what the pros and cons of only having one system.  I do not plan to acquire any new locomotives in the next few years.  I would be limited on what friends can bring over and run in command mode, but then again I really do not have others come over and run on my layout much anyways.  What are your thoughts on only having one system.  Pros/Cons?

 

    

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I have TMCC (and 1 Legacy loco which runs just fine with it, of course). As of last year

I have a DCS Remote Commander on my layout.

 

I prefer Lionel's system, but any Command Control is a good thing.

 

Unless you need the money or the DCS is somehow "in the way", I see no reason to 

get rid of it. Of course, the money recouped could help you make Legacy purchases.

I do run TMCC locos far more than the PS2 ones, and I only run one loco at a time -

hence the $40.00 Remote Commander.

Put it this way, I would find running two of my favorite engines, the Lionel Erie Triplex & SF Blue Goose difficult under Legacy. 

Unless you've become bored with the hobby, to say you won't be buying anything new from here on out does not hold water.

As much as you like Legacy and Lionel, In the future you'll appreciate having the ability to choose and operate anything available from anyone more.

Keep your DCS, store it away...In time you'll thank yourself.

Joe  

I also have "both systems" and even prefer operating many of my Sunset/3rd Rail steam models (TMCC equipped), with the Legacy Cab-2.

 

When ever we have a Run Beer, Drink Trains session, everybody runs their MTH models with DCS, while those with TMCC equipped models use either a Cab-1 or the Legacy Cab-2. Everything works well together.

I have both DCS and TMCC and they each have been great. When Legacy locos and power came out I had to ask: Have i enough? Won't tech just keep improving? " I expect soon they'll have a headset that runs everything by voice or blinking! 
Anyway, if you will have fun with just one control system go for it!

Jim,

 

I'm still in the camp of keeping both systems and controlling things with what makes sense.  I know it would be nice to have a truly "universal remote" but I'm not sure how practical it is without severely limiting your choices.  I'd keep the DCS unless you can use the money for something else.

 

I'm using my DCS to control switches (I never got the command versions of the FasTrack ones) and accessories.  I do have 2 PS2 engines but they aren't the deciding factor for me.

 

I still think that DCS is a less expensive way to control most everything on a layout.  It sort of depends where you want to draw the line on buying the various boxes necessary for Lionel.  I'm not saying Lionel is worse or better, just more expensive (IMO).

Originally Posted by Schumann:

I think both systems have their respective strengths, and therefore I run Both. I`ve had more problems with Legacy then PS2 or PS3 and more trouble with Vision Line then anything else, but I prefer Lionel sounds, and as a balance, I prefer MTH steam detail and pulling power.

Right now, the best sounding engine I have is the Legacy PM Berkshire.  I love that engine.

I am starting to appreciate Legacy, and I like the controllers better.

I also find the signal propagation with Legacy to be better.

MTH make more stuff that I like than Lionel, but the big downside is getting them repaired can be problematic as parts and service info can be scarce. So, as things breakdown, I will convert them to TMCC. Also, you mentioned you will miss your variable power out from the TIU, well, don't forget Lionel have the TPC 300 and TPC 400 which gives you variable track power control from your Legacy handset for your conventional fleet.

I do not have any Legacy engines or the system yet.  Can't afford what Lionel is charging these days.  The big plus with DCS and PS2/3 is I can upgrade any can motor engine to PS2.  I agree Legacy sounds are better than DCS engines but my DCS engines sound better than my old railsounds 4 engines.

 

Kind of wish Legacy had upgrade kits.   I jut might have Legacy now.

Jdevleerjr,

 

I can speak on the fact that I have only one of the systems and the thing with having only the one system is great to the fact that "I DO NOT HAVE PAY OUT A LOT OF MONEY $$$$$$$$"  I know to most of the forum members that not a issue but for me it Quality and with a Locomotive Roster of 1-Steam and 12-Diesel I can tell you my Locomotives run great and I can keep them tuned up.

This whole thread, this topic, this choice....it's unfortunate and a canker to the O3R hobby.  (That's NOT meant to be any indictment of this thread's author.  It's a valid recurring question.)

 

I thought 'the third rail' was the principal anomaly of our segment of model railroading.  This discussion, however, reminds me how fortunate the 2-rail DC segments...O, HO, N, G, etc....are to have a command system that is standardized, available to all manufacturers, all DCC products are compatible regardless of manufacturer.  You might be inclined to add sound to your engine as a further enhancement.  It's easy to do, and easily accommodated by all of the various and sundry DCC systems.  Everyone speaks the same 'language' of DCC.  And, judging by the Trains Department customer demographics that come through the door of our store (LHS) and spend money on the hobby, FAR more young people are pursuing the 2-rail side with no hesitation in early investment in a DCC control system.  It's an easy sell.  The standardization speaks for itself.

 

This O3R argument is Beta vs. VHS...ad infinitum, ad nauseum.  We complain about the cost/price of this hobby and then put ourselves into this expensive quandary because there continues to be two 'competing' systems with complicated intercompatibilities.

 

Everyone will have their own rationalization and/or argument.  I'm one of the handful who have decided to just run it all conventionally, slash my proverbial wrists because I'm not using every embedded feature of the fully-loaded Legacy/TMCC/DCS/Whatever 2-4-6-8 loco.  It's too late, IMHO, for the two Sumo's...or the NMRA/TCA/LCCA/TTOS/etc...to come to terms with a single system.  I like all of my equipment, and they run...conventionally...just fine. 

 

Steady as you go.

 

KD

Charlie, have Bert run the MTH Ann Arbor RS-1, it sounds like the real thing.  It would look great on your layout.  There's not as much difference between PS-2/3 and Legacy when running diesels (yes Legacy steam is a lot better).  I also need to find that MTH Russian Decapod to re-road to DT&I.  MTH has had more success with smaller steam engines than Lionel.  Although I also need a Legacy E6 Atlantic to re-road to Ann Arbor.  Sure wish we could get our local road name without having to repaint them.

Dan,

PS - its 74 degrees (7pm)

Honestly, I would sell of the MTH stuff. Not being snarky. 

I run Legacy and never bought into the idea of owning both control systems. Many do, but I think that it just looks cumbersome and sloppy. 

I prefer the streamlined simplicity of one.

A few years ago, DCS looked pretty attractive as did the small scale PRR steam that MTH had with great smoke and slow speed.

However, Lionel has closed that gap and then some. Legacy, ZW-L, smoke, cruise, detail, whistle steam, premium sound, Fastrack, etc.

I have mostly MTH engines and can't compare but I do know this:

MTH makes a lot more Road names and Different equipment than Lionel and at a lower price.

I would keep both systems. Sell any engines you have both MTH and Lionel in, but keep the one off's.

 

You will take a significant loss in any sales, keeping the system as a secondary one for those engines Lionel does not make will retain it's value and use for you.

Unless you need the money to buy more train stuff, I would just leave the DCS system in place and add Legacy to it.  That way you can always run both and never have to worry about it.

 

I mostly run Legacy / TMCC and post war conventional, but one day, MTH will make something I really want and then I'll be wishing for DCS to go with that.  In the future, I will be adding DCS, but since there's no rush, I can wait until I have an MTH engine first  and/\ or the latest DCS handheld and TIU when it comes out.

 

 

 

I was thinking about  switching over to Legacy because of the sound.  Then...MTH puts out the Long Island RS1...its a beauty..sticking with DCS because the variety of smaller roadnames. Also, I usually turn the sound off and like the command control for the cruise control and an occasional blast of the horn or whistle.

 

Sunrise

J,

   I love my DCS, however with the advent of the new Lionel ZW-L Transformer

I have to admit the Lionel package is some real nice engineering.  Because of my engineering background, I will eventually join the two systems together and run both a Z4K and a ZW-L, with their hand held remotes.  Remember Lionel will not be producing Tin Plate any more, MTH makes the P2 & P3 reproductions now.  If you plan to ever run Tin Plate reproductions consider keeping your DCS.

PCRR/Dave

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