STEAMday Sunday

Just like a real steam engine, today's edition of STEAMday Sunday started out a little slow, but now is gathering a big headed of STEAM!

Let's keep today's STEAMday Sunday hi-balling down the line.

Outstanding posts by everyone so far.

Arnold

It’s December so I’ve got my MTH 765 Berkshire on the head end of a Polar Express excursion run.  Have a great week everyone and Happy Holidays!

MELGAR, I decided to Google "PRR Camelback".  Here's the result from Steam Locomotive. com: "PRR built three 4-4-2 class E1 camelbacks in its Juniata Shops in 1899.  These locomotives had wide fireboxes, but were not the patented Wootten type.  The PRR did not build any additional camelbacks and sold these three to the LI RR in 1902 and 1903".

John

@Steam Crazy posted:

MELGAR, I decided to Google "PRR Camelback".  Here's the result from Steam Locomotive. com: "PRR built three 4-4-2 class E1 camelbacks in its Juniata Shops in 1899.  These locomotives had wide fireboxes, but were not the patented Wootten type.  The PRR did not build any additional camelbacks and sold these three to the LI RR in 1902 and 1903".

John

John,

You are correct. I was in error and corrected my post.

According to Steel Rails to the Sunrise - The Long Island Railroad by Ron Ziel and George H. Foster (1987), the PRR built three 4-4-2 Camelbacks in 1899, sold them to the Long Island Rail Road four years later, and they were the only Camelbacks ever used by the PRR. A picture of PRR 4-4-2 #820 with a three-axle tender appears in the book. By contrast, between 1903 and 1911, the LIRR operated 53 Camelback locomotives with four types of wheel arrangement including 4-4-0, 4-4-2, 4-6-0 and 2-8-0.

MELGAR

I caught sight of this loco years ago in "Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia-Vo1 Model Railroad."  What a Beast, there was an image of the loco negotiating a switch with crew members watch each drive wheel making sure it did not crawl up on to the rail.

The Beast!  The UP 9000 series .

Now if you look closely  at the pilot deck you will see the operating Greeley Valve Gear on this MTH model.  It also has the third cylinder with piston rod connected to (if I recall right)the second drive axil.  The one draw back more moving parts to lube!

Ron

Is steam engine restoration work allowed? From Saturday working on 4070 removing some stubborn studs.

Well here is my answer to those "brute's" above (Berkshire's and UP 9000), a pre-war powerhouse from American Flyer (Chicago Flyer) from 1932-1933.  She is 90 years old (91 on New Years Day) and runs just fine, is die cast and heavy as a brick so it pulls just about anything on my little flat layout.  Locomotive was not numbered in this variation although some versions did carry the number 3307 although the catalog reference for this loco is #3308.

So Happy Steam Sunday everyone.  Best Wishes.  For all you folks complaining about the weather...well you should come to Texas.  Its sunny, 71 degrees and beautiful down here..."come on down!".  (by the way fellows, I once lived in Needham, MA)

Don

@PRRronbh posted:

I caught sight of this loco years ago in "Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia-Vo1 Model Railroad."  What a Beast, there was an image of the loco negotiating a switch with crew members watch each drive wheel making sure it did not crawl up on to the rail.

The Beast!  The UP 9000 series .

Ron

Ron,

After building the Union Pacific 9000 series with six coupled axles (4-12-2), the next step was to separate the six axles into two sets of three, resulting in the articulated Challenger locomotive (4-6-6-4), to track better on curves.

MELGAR

Here's my contribution for this fine Sunday!   A Western Maryland H7 Consolidation by Lionel.  

My latest acquired steam engines for THE SOUTH FORK RAILROAD.  Both are nice runners with good sound.

@MELGAR posted:

Ron,

After building the Union Pacific 9000 series with six coupled axles (4-12-2), the next step was to separate the six axles into two sets of three, resulting in the articulated Challenger locomotive (4-6-6-4), to track better on curves.

MELGAR

Hi Mel,

Another fact about #9000, it's farewell run was March 11, 1956 pulling a steam excursion Denver-Cheyenne roundtrip for the Rocky Mountain Railroad Club.roundtrip.

Ron

@naresar posted:

Is steam engine restoration work allowed? From Saturday working on 4070 removing some stubborn studs.

Yes, anything related to steamers is allowed here. Arnold

K-Line Hudson w/PS2, Lionel ERIE Berk, and MR S3 from a few year back. What a models!

Here’s a different kind of steamer. I saw this tree ornament about 15 years ago. I got an idea to make a pedal car engine for my grandson.  Here we are with the finished product.



He just got his license.
Here is his Sister

And his younger sister today that refused to give it up unless she could ride in it one more time. She doesn’t even fit!

so now it’s off to their  younger cousin and my 10th Grandchild.

@pennsyfan posted:

Here’s a different kind of steamer. I saw this tree ornament about 15 years ago. I got an idea to make a pedal car engine for my grandson.  Here we are with the finished product.



He just got his license.
Here is his Sister

And his younger sister today that refused to give it up unless she could ride in it one more time. She doesn’t even fit!

so now it’s off to there younger cousin and my 10th Grandchild.

Great job pennsyfan, hope the grandkids keep that train for years to come. WTG Mark

MELGAR, you piqued my curiosity about the PRR camelbacks, so I did a little more digging.  Here is an image of no. 700 from the RR Picture Archives,net.  I bet I'm not the only steam fan that would love to have a model of this engine!

John

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=4504568

Good morning and welcome back to STEAMday Sunday.

I will start us off with this MTH PS2 Baltimore & Ohio Royal Blue steamer:

Here it is rolling down the line hauling K-Line passenger cars:

It's now your turn to join in the fun, but please remember to follow the Forum rules by only posting photos and videos you have taken or those in which you have  obtained the express written permission of the owner to post. Arnold

Hello and good morning, steam fans!  Arnold, your B&O steamer is, indeed, “Royal”!

New York Central’s Mohawks were the “backbone” of the system, with 600  built between 1916 and 1943.  They were excellent freight engines, but the first 485 were not as useful for passenger service because their speed was limited to 60 mph.

NYC developed the L3A class to turn the Mohawk into a true dual service locomotive.  Changes, starting with no. 3000, included increased cylinder size, boiler pressure and an increase in driver size from 69” to 72”.  Note NYC was the only road to call engines with a 4-8-2 wheel arrangement “Mohawks”.  Other roads called them “Mountains”, but NYC didn’t think that name was appropriate for their flat, “Water Level Route”.

I posted a video of my Lionel model of no. 3000, pulling a passenger train, a couple of weeks ago.  Today you’ll see she is equally adept at hauling freight.

John

Good morning Arnold and John,

New York Central F-12 4-6-0 ten-wheeler #1232 is a Lionel Legacy model made in 2021 (2131070) with MSRP $749.99. The model is very nice and runs well but the catalog shows dark graphite-colored smokebox and firebox - not the light gray that it has. Lionel shows one color in its catalog and delivers another. Things like this have made me reluctant to buy or pre-order new Lionel trains. Instead, I’ve taken to buying older models from forum sponsor Trainz.

Locomotive #1232 was built by Alco Schenectady in October 1905 as F-2 #2098. It was superheated around 1917, renumbered to #819 in 1936 and to #1232 in 1948. Tractive force was 31,020 pounds with locomotive weight (engine/loaded tender) about 238,000 pounds. Ten-wheelers operated on the New York Central’s Putnam Division until September 1951 and #1232 was retired in July 1952.

Shown on my 12’-by-8’ layout.

MELGAR

Another great start Arnold, have a great STEAMday Sunday, Support your Troops

Like Melgar, I also have the Lionel Legacy NY Central 10 wheeler cab #1232 with whistle steam and I consider it to be my best engine:

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Arnold

Some older steam locomotives…all MTH products..

Tom

A high stepping New Haven Pacific fresh from outshopping at the Harmon Shops in Shiloh, NC heads a local toward Maybrook on the New Haven section of my layout. Later she is caught on film passing NH Mohawk 3310 with revenue freight. The 1389 is a Weaver I-4 Pacific with much detailing. Both are running on a Legacy Control System.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ub77SVqD5vQZCBeN7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9E2KfKWFRWJ288a38

@Bill Park posted:

A high stepping New Haven Pacific fresh from outshopping at the Harmon Shops in Shiloh, NC heads a local toward Maybrook on the New Haven section of my layout. Later she is caught on film passing NH Mohawk 3310 with revenue freight. The 1389 is a Weaver I-4 Pacific with much detailing. Both are running on a Legacy Control System.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ub77SVqD5vQZCBeN7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9E2KfKWFRWJ288a38

Outstanding videos abd layout, Bill. Arnold

hanks Arnold for SteamerSunday!

Here are my NYC Hudson (Kuhn era) and Berkshire (PW) doing test runs on my club layout.

The Hafner 2000 engine was post war from the 1940's to 1951.  It is the one engine that was carried over into the All Metal Products Company  Wyandotte line when they took over Hafner trains in 1951.  They kept it much the same at first just added the Wyandotte name to the livery but then made changes over the following years, although the basic loco remained the same.

This is a Hafner model, brought out postwar and lasting until the end of Hafner trains under that name.

This example is shown with a type Vb (3 color) tender and it should have a type Va (all black) tender but I have not been able to find one of those but I keep looking.

Happy Steam Sunday everyone.  Best wishes for the Holidays.

Don

Good morning fellow steam locomotive lovers. This STEAMday Sunday, I will start us off with the Hudson (4-6-4).

First, is a video of this modern conventional running Lionel NY Central Hudson, which I believe was made in the 1990s, hauling passenger cars:

Next, is a video of the venerable Lionel Postwar NY Central 773 Hudson hauling freight cars and a caboose:

Now, it's your turn to join in the fun and show some of your steamers. Just remember to post only those photos and videos you have taken, or those in which you have obtained the express written permission of the owner to post. Arnold

Good morning Arnold!

Today is December 17, 2023 - the 120th anniversary of the first flight of a powered airplane by Wilbur and Orville Wright of Dayton, Ohio.

Pennsylvania Railroad G-5s 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler #5740 is an MTH Premier model (20-3031-1, MSRP $699.95) delivered in March 1999 with PS1. It is one of my favorite locomotive models and I’ve been running it with a BCR for 24 years.

Photos and videos show #5740 on my 12’-by-8’ layout pulling MTH Premier Long Island Rail Road heavyweight passenger cars – also PS1.

You may ask why I run a Pennsylvania engine with Long Island Rail Road passenger cars. In 1900, the LIRR was bought by the Pennsylvania Railroad which owned it until 1966. Much of the LIRR’s motive power was leased or purchased from the PRR. G-5s #5741, now preserved at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, was one of the PRR locomotives that ran on Long Island (in Pennsylvania livery) – where I grew up and rode the railroad as a youngster. So, although its number is not exactly correct, the combination of #5740 and LIRR passenger cars is close to reality.

The PRR G-5s was the most powerful Ten-wheeler ever built. It was designed for fast acceleration in commuter service on the hills around Pittsburgh and had a tractive force of 41,330 pounds. Therefore, it was also well suited for commuter operations on Long Island. Between 1924 and 1929, the PRR sold 31 G-5s locomotives to the LIRR, but others, such as #5741, were temporarily assigned to Long Island. The last LIRR G-5s locomotives were replaced by diesels in 1955.

MELGAR

Arnold,

Apparently you have two Hudsons that look the same in the videos. Can you post some photographs of both engines or the two engines together as a comparison? Thanks.

MELGAR

Here's a not-so well-made video tour of my train runs around basement hauled by the mighty Triplexes, and I had to turn the smoke units off. This video is proof of why tripods are needed . I sure appreciate you guys who take the time to make good videos with editing and all. I hope to learn that trade someday.

Morning STEAMday Sunday fans! 1 week closer to Christmas God Speed All!

@MELGAR posted:

Pennsylvania Railroad G-5s 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler #5740 is an MTH Premier model (20-3031-1, MSRP $699.95) delivered in March 1999 with PS1. It is one of my favorite locomotive models and I’ve been running it with a BCR for 24 years.

Photos and videos show #5740 on my 12’-by-8’ layout pulling MTH Premier Long Island Rail Road heavyweight passenger cars – also PS1.

You may ask why I run a Pennsylvania engine with Long Island Rail Road passenger cars. In 1900, the LIRR was bought by the Pennsylvania Railroad which owned it until 1966. Much of the LIRR’s motive power was leased or purchased from the PRR. G-5s #5741, now preserved at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, was one of the PRR locomotives that ran on Long Island (in Pennsylvania livery) – where I grew up and rode the railroad as a youngster. So, although its number is not exactly correct, the combination of #5740 and LIRR passenger cars is close to reality.

The PRR G-5s was the most powerful Ten-wheeler ever built. It was designed for fast acceleration in commuter service on the hills around Pittsburgh and had a tractive force of 41,330 pounds. Therefore, it was also well suited for commuter operations on Long Island. Between 1924 and 1929, the PRR sold 31 G-5s locomotives to the LIRR, but others, such as #5741, were temporarily assigned to Long Island. The last LIRR G-5s locomotives were replaced by diesels in 1955.

MELGAR

MELGAR, I’ve been following your posts since I joined the forum. I appreciate how your historical descriptions of locomotives has been a valuable asset to my learning and understanding of the American railroads.

Gene

@Krieglok posted:

Some older steam locomotives…all MTH products..

Tom

Wow those are great locomotives. So much better to finally see them in person rather than in the catalog. Very nice.

@MELGAR posted:

Arnold,

Apparently you have two Hudsons that look the same in the videos. Can you post some photographs of both engines or the two engines together as a comparison? Thanks.

MELGAR

Melgar, here are photos of the modern Lionel #5340 Hudson:

And, here are photos of the Lionel Postwar 773 Hudson, which I run with a Williams NY Central tender:

The modern 5340 has Railsounds.

Both run well on tubular track through 031 curves and 022 switches. Arnold

Melgar,

These more close-up photos show that the 5340 has better detail than the 773.

5340:

773:

IMO, both have charm and are among my best conventional steam locomotive runners. Arnold

New Haven Mohawk 3310 heads a revenuom the New Havenn section of my layout

https://photos.app.goo.gl/K9r6LmML7ayLfC4b6

Good morning, steam fans!  Today’s featured steamer is PRR 2-8-2 L1s Mikado no. 1827.  The L1s was the most numerous steam engine on the PRR, with 547 built.

My model is an MTH Railking product.  It was the first modern era engine I purchased, in 2002.  It was originally equipped with MTH’s basic Locosound system, but needed an upgrade to PS3 last year.  Other modifications include a “real” coal load, crew, painted handrails and driver tires, and tender marker lights.

No. 1827 is shown passing PRR E8 A-A pair nos. 5793 and 5896.  The three engines are all semi-scale, so they look good running together.

John

@Steam Crazy posted:

…. but needed an upgrade to PS3 last year.  Other modifications include a “real” coal load, crew, painted handrails and driver tires, and tender marker lights.

John

Really nice.  Looks great.

Thanks, Ron!  That’s a nice compliment, coming from a fine modeler like you!

John

Forgive my feeble old brain if I already posted these photos. Below is my K-Line, semi-scale, C&O Allegany just back from a weathering by Harry Hieke in New Jersey.

In addition to weathering, Harry added an enhanced coal load, a crew in the cab, cab window awnings and curtains. This is the 3rd locomotive Harry has done for me. I am always thrilled with the results. I have a Williams, PRR 2-8-2 Mikado in the process of being upgraded to MTH Proto Sound 3 and then being sent to Harry Hieke for another GREAT weathering job.