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Following is the summary of last week's 20th York DCS Users Group Meeting. Many thanks to Don Klose for being our meeting scribe and preparing this report!

 

20th DCS Users Group Meeting

Barry greeted everyone and welcomed them for the 20th meeting of the group. Barry thanked Marty Fitzhenry, Bob Snyder, Pat Marinari, and Bob Robertory for assisting with the upgrades. He also thanked Don Klose for being the meeting scribe. At the meeting many TIUs and remotes were upgraded to MTH’s DCS 5.0 and also 8 remotes were cloned. Thanks to MTH for making available to the group the new DCS App which assist in making folks Wi-Fi ready for DCS in the near future. Don Klose was officially the first individual upgraded to DCS 5.0 from MTH.

Barry pointed out that the new Loader Program 5.0 will be available shortly as well as DCS 5.0 on the MTH website. DCS 5.0 adds wifi capability and corrects bugs in DCS 4.3 . You can now go to the Google Store and download the free DCS App. The iOS version app will shortly be available via iTunes. The premium DCS app will be available in the 1st quarter of 2016.

 

Barry’s 3rd edition of the DCS Companion is available now. It has 242 pages, including a new section on the MTH WiFi App and, as requested, an index for easy reference. it is available in a print edition (34.95) or an eBook (14.95). To find it online type DCS Companion in the MTH search engine or go to http://mthtrains.com/60-1386.  Barry pointed out that if dealers or clubs wish to purchase multiple copies of the book they can speak to him or E-mail him directly to receive discount pricing information.

 

Highlights from the Q&A Session

One person brought up the request for MTH to provide a beeper locator when the DCS remote gets set down and lost on one’s RR. All agreed that it’s a great idea. Stay tuned.

 

The issue was raised that when the DCS Wi-Fi WIU module shortly becomes available will it be able to be simultaneously accessed along with Lionel’s LCS WiFi module, allowing those who uses both systems to use both company’s WiFi apps together. Barry pointed out that the MTH’s WIU (WiFi module) will allow for an Ethernet or WiFi connection to a router. For a WiFi connection, the router will need a WPS button. The WIU will have complete instructions how to install it to your home network, allowing you to use your DCS/Legacy apps together on your layout. The WIU will work with any TIU.

 

It was also pointed out that the new DCS app will improve performance of the playable whistle. The new app has a “pull rope” icon on the screen which is a much more effective whistle controller than is the remote’s thumbwheel.

 

An attendee raised the issue of losing the DCS signal on their layout. It was pointed out that running track power through electromagnets or coils in accessories or switch motors will degrade the signal; they must be powered separately to avoid the issue.

 

With DCS 5.0 the issue was raised about upgradeability from older versions of DCS. It was pointed out that upgrading from any version of DCS directly to DCS 5.0 will work without a problem. However, if upgrading from DCS 2.x you must reset both the TIU and remote after upgrading.

 

It was asked if the remote will be improved in the near future and the answer is that most likely it will not.

 

The question was asked if does the current WiFi App provide any increased functionality for a DCS engine. The answer is no.

 

The question was asked re: DCS 5.0 when MU’ing, are there any issues and it was pointed out that the marker light issue in DCS 4.3 has been resolved.

 

Another individual mentioned that their club, at a recent show, had a drone being demonstrated that caused issues with their club remotes, possibly due the use of a similar frequency.

 

Another person raised the question, what would be the cause when two engines on the track at the same time have signal strength issues with one engine having 8-9 and the other 5-6. They are using a Z4000 and 14 gauge wire with Gargraves track. It was thought to be possibly due to interference from either a TMCC or Legacy engine, or a passenger car or caboose with a constant voltage (CV) lighting board.

 

Barry concluded the Q&A and introduced Andy Edleman, MTH Vice-president of Marketing.

 

Andy Edelman

Andy told everyone that the DCS app was released by MTH to Google Play for downloading to Android devices and to iTunes for downloading to iOS devices, and that the new WIU is right now leaving Asia and will be available in stores after Thanksgiving.

 

He also pointed out that with the app hitting the market, budget money previously allocated for its development can now be used for other product development, such as PS3 upgrades kits and mew PS3 hardware.

 

The development of a scale coupler has to go back to the drawing board. The muscle wire technology in the smaller scales is not durable enough for the O and S  gauge products.

 

In the future, if a PS2 board fails, one will have to replace the board with a PS3 board and MTH will repair those engines in or out of warranty.

 

Future integration of new technology in accessories and rolling stock for the DCS world i being envisioned. It’s Andy’s hope that maybe in the 2016 Vol. 2 catalog we will see offered moving doors in the subway cars. The smaller boards now offer greater flexibility.

 

With Lionel releasing the protocols for its Legacy system you will not see any changes physically in the remote. However, possibly with the app it may open up some new doors. Until then all Lionel products will operate in TMCC mode.

 

Andy stated that PS3 upgrade kits for S gauge will be available. The smaller boards are great for the O gauge 44 toners or Dockside switchers.

He stated the costs for the DCS App are as follows:

  • The Basic App is free, it controls one DCS engine
  • The Standard App is $4.95 and controls 99 engines with soft key functions
  • The Premium App is $24.95 and controls 99 engines with all DCS functions.

The WIU list price is 189.95.

 

Andy also pointed out that, when operating the app, it’s best to use the WIU in Home mode rather than MTH mode or it will block your connection to your home network and the Internet. The switch on the side of the WIU gives you this option. When the app has Internet access, you can receive support online during your DCS experience, view catalogs and receive upgrades of the app.

 

See you next York!  

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For a WiFi connection, the router will need a WPS button

 

Ok, some of us may have an issue with this.  As my brand new Wifi router does is not WPS capable.  Barry, in your book you stated there is a way to connect to the home network, you referenced in your new edition to reference the manual for the WIU which is not out yet.  Please clarify.

Gary,

For a WiFi connection, the router will need a WPS button

Actually, post-meeting information turns up the fact that there is another way to get the WIU connected to any router without a WPS button. The router can be connected to any Mac or PC via it's Ethernet connector and then added to the wireless home network.

 

It's a bit more work but only takes a few minutes. Once connected to the home WiFi network, the Ethernet connection is disconnected.

 

This is documented n the full WIU instruction manual.

Barry, thanks for sharing the summary for everyone.  This was my 1st meeting, and it was fun and informative to attend it and meet and talk people.

I am anxious to use the WIU.

Thanks again for doing these meetings.

ps - the buffet meal that Wyndham Gardens put on before the meeting was surprisingly good, and a decent value.

 

 

 

Hi Barry - Went to

http://mthtrains.com/dcs-consu...r-program-version-50 - today.

Ran into a set back to do the 5.0 upgrade.

     I use a Mac Book Pro and the up grade can only be done with a PC.

 

"A PC running at least Windows XP. Mac users may find that running a Windows emulator might work."

 

     I do not have a Windows Emulator.

I am going to have to barrow a PC. Laptop or take it all to my local hobby shop. Prefer to do it myself.

Questions

     1.  What wire is going to run from the PC to the TIU. Name, see my photo below, is this the correct cable?

     2.  Do I need a wire from the TIU to the Remote DCS Control? If so what kind of wire and a photo of the ends would be helpful.

     3.  When I get it all working with the 5.0 Upgrade, WiFi Module, & APP, will this new system do away with soft keys? I am not yet sure what I am going to use, Smart Phone or iPad.

I think this is the wire I need from PC computer to TIU

     Click photo to enlarge.

MTH 5.0 Upgrade Cable from PC to TIU

 

Thanks - Gary - Cheers from The Detroit and Mackinac Railway - A Toy Train Layout

PS - Being a Mac User, getting cold feet.

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Gary,

     1.  What wire is going to run from the PC to the TIU. Name, see my photo below, is this the correct cable?

If you have a Rev. L TIU with a USB port, then that is the correct cable. If you have an older TIU, you'll need a USB to serial cable instead.

     2.  Do I need a wire from the TIU to the Remote DCS Control? If so what kind of wire and a photo of the ends would be helpful.

Yes, you need a 4-conductor telephone handset cable. That's the cable that goes between the telephone handset and the base, not the one between the telephone base and the wall.

     3.  When I get it all working with the 5.0 Upgrade, WiFi Module, & APP, will this new system do away with soft keys? I am not yet sure what I am going to use, Smart Phone or iPad.

The app uses a different interface for DCS rather than the one used by the remote. Soft keys are no longer present, however, engine features and functions are present in a slightly different format.

 

In addition to the two cables identified above, you'll also need a 1/8" stereo cable with male plugs on both ends.

 

Pictures of all cables, as well as complete upgrading instructions, are in The DCS Companion 3rd Edition.

 

This and a whole lot more is all in MTH’s “The DCS Companion 3rd Edition", available for purchase from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

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Hi Barry

     Thanks for all the help......

I did find all the cables.

1. USB Cable to Type B USB - On old computer to printer

2. Telephone headset to base - Old phone in garage.

3. 1/8" to 1/8" Stereo Patch Cable - In junk wire box, from my sons garage band days.

     All these cables fit my TIU, No Chaos

I think I am OK to this point.

     I have to have my IT guy come over with his PC Lab Top, because I only own Mac's.

MTH - Requires the 5.0 upgrade to only be done with a PC.

     Any last minute advise for doing the 5.0 upgrade?

Being a Mac User since 1983, I am lost on a PC.

My DCS controller works just fine,(4.20) I am concern about losing the information to all 19 locomotives, some are Lionel.

      Any final suggestions would be appreciated.........

Gary - Cheers from The Detroit and Mackinac Railway - A Toy Train Layout

Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

Gary,

Any final suggestions would be appreciated......... 

Just tell your IT guy to follow the instructions in the 3rd edition of my book!  

Hi Barry

     I own a classic car, this photo is proof that I do read and buy shop manuals.

Yes: Your Hard Copy Book is on my Bucket List.

Cheers from Gary @ The Detroit and Mackinac Railway - A Toy Train Layout

Barry Ford Mustang Shop Manuals

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Barry Broskowitz posted:

Gary,

Any final suggestions would be appreciated......... 

Just tell your IT guy to follow the instructions in the 3rd edition of my book!  

There's the problem. Old School IT Guys are used to software manuals being useless and throw them into a cabinet and forget about them. Make sure you tell them it ISN'T a software manual. Tell 'em it's a really thick whitepaper.

By the way, I'm planning on buying your 3rd Edition DCS WhitePaper.

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