@nw2124 posted:vash44 - Please post picture of your NW GP7.
Thanks, Stephen
Pretty sure he stated "C&NW", and NOT "NW". Besides, the N&W Rwy. never ordered any GP7 units.
@Hot Water posted:Pretty sure he stated "C&NW", and NOT "NW". Besides, the N&W Rwy. never ordered any GP7 units.
It’s a Chicago north western. Beautiful locomotive.
I don't do plastic, so I am sort of out of my league here. My favorite GP7s are sand cast bronze. Next favorite are the Kemtrons. Primitive, in comparison.
It is one thing to point out errors. Nothing wrong with that (opinion).
It is entirely another thing to start harshly criticizing the producers. If you do not want a GP7 with these flaws, do not buy one. Get MMW to produce one to your liking.
Hot Water:
You are correct N&W did not order any GP7s. They did roster GP7s from the mergers, in the 2400 number series.
Stephen
Stephen: I was going to purchase the DT&I Geeps, then I saw photos of the DT&I GPs and I believe you are correct that it is poor research. The all weather cab windows and spark arrestors were missing on the models. Those are DT&I trade marks details for that paint scheme. The locomotive pilots were even painted incorrectly. BOB2 said "If you do not want a GP7 with these flaws, do not buy one.' Kind of a silly comment if you do not know if the models are coming with "flaws." What kind of logic is that?
Sad one can not look at a model first before buy it. I buy from several manufactures and these have the poorest research done on models. Just my opinion supported by data. Sunset is coming out with great items, so please someone needs to do better research. I do not expect perfection, but there are too many flaws that could be avoided.
George DiSanti - Home of the Tar Heels
If you want better research, Provide the information to the importer! Don't just sit back and complain about what you don't like after the fact.
Most importers are just business men that provide us with toys. They rely on us to give them the information to make the toys as accurate as possible. Sunset does this. So if you want accurate XY&Z models, provide photos, drawings and a written description of what the details should be like.
@prrjim posted:If you want better research, Provide the information to the importer! Don't just sit back and complain about what you don't like after the fact.
Most importers are just business men that provide us with toys. They rely on us to give them the information to make the toys as accurate as possible. Sunset does this. So if you want accurate XY&Z models, provide photos, drawings and a written description of what the details should be like.
Yes, this is a big deal. If you want models with specific details provide documentation (photos) DIRECTLY to Jonathan or Scott. That is how most of us reviewers/researchers got started. And we mostly don't get compensated for the effort. We just want to see the most accurate models the builder will do. I had no interest in the GP7/9s so was not involved in the reviews. I think most of Scott's usual reviewers were not interested in any diesels that old. The SD40-2s will be different because there are lots of interested reviewers. And keeping it down to 20 variations is another way of insuring they will be the best that they can be. Will they be perfect? NO, THEY WILL NOT! Get over it.
If you are of the attitude that I'm not going to help, that's not my job, and things do not arrive as you expected, too bad! Just return them and shut up. If you did not notice an error until someone on social media pointed it out to you after the fact and now you are incensed, drop dead.
I think it's about time that the complaints and criticism stop. It's quite clear that some people will never be satisfied. I wonder how well those people would do in creating the product.
MELGAR
OBTW, Stephen (the Christian minister) is gone. Good riddance.
Stephen is a very good friend of mine and does not mind the ban without even a warning for whatever feathers that were ruffled at the truth. Stating factual discrepancies of a model is not criticism, it is a critique. Since when do we ban people for pointing out what is wrong with a model? Do we ban people because we do not agree with the facts that a certain model has problems? How can we improve or advance the hobby if we do not see what we are doing wrong? Shame on all of you who are joyous when a member is banned! A great way to grow the hobby because one does not agree? O scale 2-rail has dwindled to just a couple of manufacturers, and I believe the writing is on the wall. That's just my opinion if I am allowed to have one?
George DiSanti - Home of the Tar Heels!
The point is that some people seem to sit back and critisize, but not contribute to improvement. I spent 8-10 hours preparing as much information as I could to send to Scott and Jonathon about the PRR GPS. Not all of it was used but the models still came in darn nice and run great. How much time and effort did these B%&chers put in to get the models they wanted.
We need to support the few mfg that are still around rather complain publicly and loudly about everything they do.
@prrjim posted:The point is that some people seem to sit back and critisize, but not contribute to improvement. I spent 8-10 hours preparing as much information as I could to send to Scott and Jonathon about the PRR GPS. Not all of it was used but the models still came in darn nice and run great. How much time and effort did these B%&chers put in to get the models they wanted.
We need to support the few mfg that are still around rather complain publicly and loudly about everything they do.
I am more concerned with how a loco runs. If a loco I buy has a couple of warts, I will probably fix the worst of the problems. I have repainted locos as I got an Atlas RS1 cheaply, it became a Milwaukee in orange and black.
Dick
You are a good example of a 2-railer. Calling each other names ("B%&chers") because you do not like what others say does not promote the hobby. In the Modeling field the 2-railers have the worst reputation for not playing well with others and have very tight net circle of friends or are just loners. Maybe those who purchased a model may think they need not point out the simplest of details or do not have research materials. Not everyone is as blessed as you. I myself have bought roadnames that I do not model not knowing the prototype.
Should we be willing to hear how a model turned out when delivered, to advance the hobby? Reviewing a model comes with the good and bad does it not? Do you really believe it is the buyers' fault if the model lacks details? We have posters who love their models as well as those who were not fully satisfied. So lets move forward sharing our knowledge and learning from each other.
George DiSanti - Home of the Tar Heels
Folks criticizing these models speak as though there are all sorts of alternative scale model suppliers. There ARE NOT. We are near the end of our hobby. There are no new scale model importers coming on line. Appreciate what we have, because soon we will have none.
@mark s posted:We are near the end of our hobby. There are no new scale model importers coming on line. Appreciate what we have, because soon we will have none.
Cheery. This viewpoint of course is completely dependent on one's need to only be buying new products. I think I have another lifetime or 3 of projects and models in my shop to provide me with adequate entertainment and fun (seems oft times an overlooked component of the hobby) for this life and the next...
@mark s posted:Folks criticizing these models speak as though there are all sorts of alternative scale model suppliers. There ARE NOT. We are near the end of our hobby. There are no new scale model importers coming on line. Appreciate what we have, because soon we will have none.
@mwb posted:Cheery. This viewpoint of course is completely dependent on one's need to only be buying new products. I think I have another lifetime or 3 of projects and models in my shop to provide me with adequate entertainment and fun (seems oft times an overlooked component of the hobby) for this life and the next...
Martin,
With your knowledge of the hobby, I'm sure you know that most O gauge hobbyists buy locomotives and rolling stock but do not build them. So, they are dependent on buying new products, and that is how they indulge in the hobby. Perfectly fine if that's what they prefer. They're interested in trains and railroading but, for whatever reason, they would rather purchase than build. For many people, just building a layout is a big step. Although I'm a retired engineer and have been building models since the age of seven, I can't build a locomotive from scratch or even from a kit that would satisfy me as much as what is produced commercially. I entertain myself by building the model railroad. That's why the loss of O-gauge/scale model train manufacturers during the past few years concerns me. Lionel may continue, but a single large manufacturer is not good for the hobby, in my opinion.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:They're interested in trains and railroading but, for whatever reason, they would rather purchase than build. For many people, just building a layout is a big step. Although I'm a retired engineer and have been building models since the age of seven, I can't build a locomotive from scratch or even from a kit that would satisfy me as much as what is produced commercially.
I’m in a similar boat, though not retired yet. I’m comfortable with the layout construction, eventual scenery, landscape, and making buildings from scratch (or kit bashing) but adding the labor of building locos and rolling stock that would be up to my “standards” or expectations is a bridge to far.
I wish there were more “kits” for rolling stock and locomotives. Assembling models is something I’m very comfortable with, and like to do. Additionally, I really enjoy electronics work and customizing things, so I think that paradigm would suit me, building a kit and adding DCC and sounds.
Sadly, that doesn’t exist in O-scale really.
I think the landscape is clear. The vast majority of customers are happy with the product, and are also willing to keep supporting the importer.
And, a exceedingly small vocal minority criticizes the importer with a high end brass rubric which is not applicable.
Time to move on...
@rplst8 posted:I wish there were more “kits” for rolling stock and locomotives. Assembling models is something I’m very comfortable with, and like to do. Additionally, I really enjoy electronics work and customizing things, so I think that paradigm would suit me, building a kit and adding DCC and sounds.
Sadly, that doesn’t exist in O-scale really.
The Strasburg, PA show is this coming Saturday. As usual there will be quite a number of locomotive and car kits available. They do exist in O scale. Every O scale show I attend has plenty of locomotive and car kits.
R. Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot
I agree with Bob Heil, there are always scads of kits at 2 Rail O scale meets. Strasburg is coming up next weekend. There is one in Indianapolis in October along with another Strasburg, and there is one in Cleveland the first weekend in November.
Also the O Scale magazines that focus more on 2 rail, O Scale Resource, and O Scale trains always have a lot of ads from current Kit manufacturers.
Couple of Q shots...
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@SANTIAGOP23 posted:Couple of Q shots...
Those look like shots from railpictures.net. The depth of field especially and the slightly blurry background, as well as your details in the weeds on the right of way etc. are fantastic. And those trees are killer. Excellent modeling.
Santiago
All that matters for a good photo are subject, color, and composition. You mastered all three
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:Couple of Q shots...
Fabulous Santiago!
We have sooooooo many talented individuals here on the OGR Forum for inspiration.
Thanks, guys. I'm just speaking for those content with the models.
