Sunset 3rd Rail Rio Grande Bumblebee SD9

 oh wow! That looks awesome 

Bob sent along the prototype image

Neat Bob!

I LOVE that Bumblebee!

Sweet model. Video?

Is that an OMI coal tower in the background? 

I do believe it is an OMI. Bob has a beautiful layout and collection 

Nice.     Mine just came defiantly worth the wait

On the prototype, were they delivered with yellow pilots? Front 'seems' to bright.

Yes Chuck 'THEY WERE' along with all the Geeps, and post FT's . You doubt the research provided by the experts used by Scott? 

 May I suggest some advice; when approaching a question like this publicly provide some evidence backing your argument.

Like most of the schematics these prototypes used, road grime and use did change it rapidly. Like the green that faded to gray in a month on the hoods of F's. 

Sharp!

Love the truck treatment, tucked in and no water pants!

Santiago we try not to allow high water pants in the 2 Rail forum.

Yes Chuck 'THEY WERE' along with all the Geeps, and post FT's . You doubt the research provided by the experts used by Scott? May I suggest some advice; when approaching a question like this publicly provide some evidence backing your argument.

I thought Chuck was just asking my question: Did the Bumblebee paint scheme use Grande Gold, or some color of cream?  You really cannot tell from photos, even though your spectacular photos in the first post indicate Grande Gold.  I doubt he was questioning Scott or you.

bob2 posted:

Yes Chuck 'THEY WERE' along with all the Geeps, and post FT's . You doubt the research provided by the experts used by Scott? May I suggest some advice; when approaching a question like this publicly provide some evidence backing your argument.

I thought Chuck was just asking my question: Did the Bumblebee paint scheme use Grande Gold, or some color of cream?  You really cannot tell from photos, even though your spectacular photos in the first post indicate Grande Gold.  I doubt he was questioning Scott or you.

Well in reality his question is rather vague and not conclusive in my opinion. I did NOT take it personal however his statement implies the color is 'WRONG' and not like the prototype hence an erroneous model, and to the uneducated public this can be taken as doubt despite the facts. Isn't that the problem with the internet in the first place. No editors.

Scott Mann, 3rd Rail & company worked very hard to provide the most accurate model for the price. Often times the builder can make mistakes that in a timeline of production cannot be corrected despite how correct or incorrect the research provided is. Many so called experts have been wrong in other projects but in this case they got it right. Fact

Bob, I agree with you that I could have taken the statement incorrectly; However I found his comment unwarranted; in your courtroom an expert witness must provide evidence of such arguments, are you not? Like you always say Bob, ...opinion.. however in this circumstance the paint was the same uniform black and whatever gold or yellow you want to call it. This is not an argument but fact that can be proven beyond any shred of doubt with photo and written evidence it just needs to be presented. I started to present some evidence in some random photos found in a Google search he could have easily done also and not written the statement in the first place resulting in this rebutle.

From what we have decided at Division Point among the experts is its white cream with a hint of yellow. Certainly NOT a black pilot on these units. 

Opinion and facts 

On the argument of color Attached are some rather good arguments presented by Rusty Traque some time back 

 If this is all in the sake of argument and not the presented facts then I am out of it. I don't like to play games when it comes to a fine product such the SD9's from Scott. These are fine models and casting doubt on them over unfounded opinions is blasphemous. Opinion 

Oh NO! -now we are really goofing around. 

Which yellow, gold, cream.. oh now my eyes have gone crooked. 

I agree with bob2: It was not meant to mean it was wrong as I took the question he was not sure as he stated.

As for the "EXPERTS" have been proven to be wrong in several of the runs. Take the SRR green F7.

Just my take on it.

Stephen

The F7's had issues, no doubt. As a buyer I was vocal about them too. But I'll be the first to congratulate for a job well done, and this offer seems to be one the best diesel offerings from 3rd Rail so far.

GP7's are not nearly as interesting to me, but I love the rising sun motif on the snow plow.

That plow is really cool! I like those a lot. A project I must do sometime.

Thank you for adding those Santiago 

I wasn't questioning anyone's facts, I was just unsure. The pictures answered the question. Take a chill pill Erik. For all I know, some could have been delivered with a yellow pilot, another could have been delivered with a black pilot.

In many cases a photo is worth a thousand words....

I present the Utah helper #5310 in its delivery paint. 

Chuck Sartor posted:

I wasn't questioning anyone's facts, I was just unsure. The pictures answered the question. Take a chill pill Erik. For all I know, some could have been delivered with a yellow pilot, another could have been delivered with a black pilot.

Of course you didn't. I had it completely wrong. As far that chill pill goes Chuck; good idea. 

It's easy to get carried away with our passions. And yes this is one of my passions. 

So back to my question:  in the above photo the GP or SD appears more "Grande Gold" than does the F-unit.  I personally love the Grande Gold (same as Daylight Orange) and do not want washed- out cream on my black diesels.  Are these SDs painted with Grande Gold, or some version of cream - yellow mixed with white?

Understand, I paint my Diesels the way I want - but it is fun knowing what the Rio grande did.

any of these still around for sale?

My friend Merlyn at Caboose Stop Hobbies still had some today. His shipment arrived yesterday. 

319-277-1754

thanks will be calling him

Erik:

Your photography is outstanding. Two words; Role Model

I took photography in high school (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) for a fine art requirement and the teacher "Ansel Lavansil" used to say lighting is a big factor and natural sunlight was your best friend. We did black and white back then. There was no digital, and any indoor shooting was done with incandescent lights to override the yellowing from florescent lighting (the good old days). Your use of the outdoor "shooting stands" really brings out the models, which is why I'm trying to build one to use to photograph my trains.

Merlyn at Caboose Stop Hobbies still has a set of these and a set of 2 in CB&Q Blackbird in 2 rail 

319-277-1754

AGHRMatt posted:

Erik:

Your photography is outstanding. Two words; Role Model

I took photography in high school (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) for a fine art requirement and the teacher "Ansel Lavansil" used to say lighting is a big factor and natural sunlight was your best friend. We did black and white back then. There was no digital, and any indoor shooting was done with incandescent lights to override the yellowing from florescent lighting (the good old days). Your use of the outdoor "shooting stands" really brings out the models, which is why I'm trying to build one to use to photograph my trains.

Thank you Matt 

Eric  SP Black widows.

https://youtu.be/iOocXHCuUBE

Holy smokes that's sweet

Nice.  And brrrr

received mine today, thanks scott, 

and now waiting for the Alco PA's , 

outstanding!  thanks for sharing.  i just received my DM&IR SD9 this week.