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Not sure if "Backup" light is the correct terminology but it seems that's what everyone calls them.

 

Were steam engines required to have them, if not, was there a particular type of engine that wasn't required to have it (i.e. passenger engine)?

 

Looking at some photos I can't determine if a particular engine had one or not, most photographers didn't take photos of the rear of the tender.  About the only photos I see them in are shots of 1 engine as another engine passes by.

 

Next question(s)...what do you guys use to hold the light housing when drilling the hole in the rear of the brass casting so the bulb/LED can be inserted?  Also, what do you use to keep the light from shining out of the hole in the rear of the housing?

 

What speed do you use on your drill press when drilling these small brass castings? (man I miss having my machinery handbook )

 

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Originally Posted by Bob Delbridge:

...what do you guys use to hold......the brass casting

 

Hemostat against the wood base on the drill platform.

 

Also, what do you use to keep the light from shining out of the hole in the rear of the housing?

 

The back?  Why not work from the base upwards?

 

What speed do you use on your drill press when drilling these small brass castings?

 

No idea; whatever feels "right" to me on my little variable speed press....

Why not work from the base upwards?

 

OMG, never thought of that

 

I do have a vise with reversible clamping surfaces, cross-hatched on one side and smooth on the other, maybe a couple of layers of tape will help in not marring the casting surface.

 

I have a medium-large tabletop drill press and can change the belt position to change speed, but it's all a matter of feed and speed (and how sharp the bit is).

 

Thanks Martin

Originally Posted by Bob Delbridge:

Not sure if "Backup" light is the correct terminology but it seems that's what everyone calls them.

 

Were steam engines required to have them, if not, was there a particular type of engine that wasn't required to have it (i.e. passenger engine)?

 

How would the cab crew see when backing up in the dark, without a "back up light", on a light engine move?

 

Looking at some photos I can't determine if a particular engine had one or not, most photographers didn't take photos of the rear of the tender.  About the only photos I see them in are shots of 1 engine as another engine passes by.

 

Just my opinion but, I can't imagine any "modern era" (1920s and later) locomotive without a "back up light", steam, electric, or diesel.

 

Next question(s)...what do you guys use to hold the light housing when drilling the hole in the rear of the brass casting so the bulb/LED can be inserted?  Also, what do you use to keep the light from shining out of the hole in the rear of the housing?

 

What speed do you use on your drill press when drilling these small brass castings? (man I miss having my machinery handbook )

 

 

Originally Posted by Bob Delbridge:

Were steam engines required to have them, if not, was there a particular type of engine that wasn't required to have it (i.e. passenger engine)?

In the steam engine era the ICC regulations [ ignoring state PUC's, etc, for the moment ] were what "required" stuff.   Para 231(b) from "...Other than steam" -- I imagine this section of the steam regs read the same way -- stated:

 

  "Each locomotive used in road service, which is regularly required to run backward for any portion of its trip, except to pick up a detached portion of its train, or in making terminal movements, shall have on its rear a headlight which shall meet the foregoing requirements [ for visibility of the front headlight ]."

 

   Yard locomotives [ (e)] were required to have a headlight on both ends.

 

 Your models should "be governed accordingly".

 

SZ

Just about every photo in the books I have were taken at that infamous "3/4 view" from the front of the engine, it's rare to find a photo showing the end of the tender.

 

Here's 3 photos of a SAL Q3 Mike.  The 1st shot is too washed out to see what's there, the 2nd shot shows something may be there and the 3rd photo (Ron Dettmer's model) definitely shows a small lamp:

 

 

SAL Q3 376

 

 

q3 427 rear197

 

 

Ron Dettmer Q3 6

 

I can't imagine these small lamps produced enough light to do much for the crew, especially if they're sitting in the cab.

 

I'll try to make one for my Q3, probably need a flat LED, without any type of housing around it (maybe paint the LED black except for the very front).

 

My brass Williams tenders don't have any backup light so I'll need to order some from PSC.

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Here is a twist on back up lights: on some mikados the B&O placed red lighting auxiliary headlights on the locomotive that were used as marker lights. These locomotives were used as pushers on the "Old Main Line" from Brunswick, MD, east and were backed up after they were cut off from their train.

 

Since the classification lamps of the locomotives didn't have red lenses the red of the extra headlight served as a marker lamp for the backing up of the locos.

 

There's a modeling opportunity for the B&O guys.

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