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The "1928 Rheingold" cars arrived at the house yesterday;  here are my initial observations and impressions:

  1.   The cars are shipped with the 'Lenz' coupler, mounted to the body with a spring-retained 'KK' [ close coupling' ] mechanism;  this can swivel by itself, but is also actuated by a bar running across the outer bottom of the trucks.  The couplers have three position holes in the 'draft gear' to vary the distance between coupler head and carbody;  the couplers are shipped in the outermost ones.

  2.  The bottom entrance steps are truck mounted rather than body mounted, which is pretty much a requirement on any curve radii under 7 ft or so.

  3.  Removing the 'Lenz' coupler requires removing two screws and then moving the assemby up and back;  I had to do a fair amount of 'gentle prying' as well, as the car end is also a tight clip fit.   The instruction book makes it sound easier than it is -- or I am more of a klutz than their target reader.

  4.  Thanks to the instruction book, I found out that the roofs can be removed -- THANK YOU, MTH !  The reason is to access the lighting bar mounted to the inside of the roof, above the cross-braces in the carbody top.  Again, the instruction book makes it sound easy, but it isn't -- because there are clips along the tops of the car sides.  Good fingernails and/or some small screwdrivers help here, and one has to be very careful not to chip any paint.  But since one can gain access to the car interior in 'normal MTH fashion' from the bottom , I'd suggest doing it that way whenever possible, eg, normal interior mods.

  5.  The interiors are great.  Sure, they are one piece molds in a dark brown plastic [ except for the table tops and lamps ], but MTH got the important things right: 1+1 seating in armchairs in 1st class, and 2+1 for second -- much improved over the previous Pullmans.

  6.  The destination boards are fixed to the carbody side, and read Hook - Basel SBB, with the 'car number' plate above.

  7.  All cars have the mysterious "speaker grill" in the center of the underside -- but it's a "grill to nowhere", as the interior above blanks it off.  Maybe someone can explain these.

  8.  The baggage car has illuminated 'tail lights' at one end.  In my opinion, this was a mistake, because I believe at the time and locale this trainset portrays [ 1929-30, because of not only the overhaul dates on the car sides, but MTH's locomotive for it still has oil headlamps...] this baggage car ran at the front of the train.

       Further, MTH or Busch needed to read up on Schlusssignal practice prior to 1935 [ Signal 16b ] if they really wanted to do it 'right' -- or perhaps they did, and just figured what they did was 'close enough', and for many [ for shame, I almost wrote 3 railers, but there are 3 rail nitpickers/rivet counters too....] that will be fine.

  9.  The color:  I'll leave that to the real experts, though I am inclined to the belief that MTH/Busch picked the later, darker shade.

 10.  Biggest disappointment visually:  I thought a better job could have been done on the roof ventilators.

 11.  Biggest suprise:  The exterior doors open, but they are spring loaded closed. [ An overcentre spring holding them in either position would have been much better.]

 

Executive Summary:  Excellent job, MTH.  Congratulations -- I hope they sell well, they deserve it.

 

Best regards, SZ

 

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Dear SZ, Thank you for your evaluation of the Rhinegold set. I received my set 2 weeks ago and the cars are truly magnificent. As a American modeler could you elaborate on the "16B" signal, and which version of the S 3/6 is correct for the Rhinegold of that era(epoch). I also ordered a Crocodile in the later green version which I believe you evaluated in a earlier post. I, for one, would like to see a DR/DB BR52 Kreigslok. I know Lenz will be producing a BR50, but the Kriegslok is just a great looking machine. 

 

And to think I am a slobbering Pennsy freak !!!!

 

 

                                                             Once again, Thanks. 

                                                                            John P.Dunn Sr.

@ Steinzet..thanks for the review/ opinion..glad to see that you're satisfied with it..well after 2.5 years wait, better be....seem again that so far only the scale wheels version has ship.

 

As for the tail lights on the baggage cars, don't forget that the Rheingold use to have 2 per consist 1 on each end. (most of the time)

 

@jdunn...the s 3/6 (class 18.4-18.5) is the correct engine, from the K serie with engine number between 18 479 to 18 508...that's for the part between Zevenaar (dutch/german border) and Mannheim...from Mannheim to Basel Bad (german/swiss border) with a class 18.3 and on Swiss tracks he was pulled by an electric Ae 4/7 and on the Dutch tracks by a Dutch steamer (think they were 3900 serie)

John Dunn et al:

  1.  Regarding the 'end of train markers':  Just as the practice on some US roads "back in the day", these markers were also made to be turned.  During the day, the red/white portion was displayed to the rear -- indeed, one good photo of the end of a Rheingold shows the alternate flat metal plates used instead on the trailing coach.

At night, the red lights were displayed to the rear AND the green or white lights towards the head end.

    But there was also, again prior to 1935, a third red light or red plate [ the familiar round red one ] displayed at a lower buffer level;  so MTH should have furnished this light as well, given their existing configuration.

 

 2.  However:  during the time period in question [ eg, for the cars numbered and lettered as MTH furnished them ] the Rheingold, because of the protective coach regulations, ran with the baggage car at the head end except between Mannheim and Basel.  This was because the train reversed direction in Mannheim station;  Rheingold baggage cars were not used for this purpose -- after all, there were only three of them. So a second baggage car was used as a filler.   Lafondue, see your "heinrich-h" page for confirmation of this.

     If the Swiss protective coach regulations were still in effect at this time, the through baggage was now at the head end, Basel SBB being a further reversal, so no additional car would be needed if the trainset were working through to Lucerne or Zurich.

     When the Germans abolished the protective coach regulation, the Rheingold's baggage was then normally on the north end [ except between Basel - Mannheim and vv of course ] irrespective of train direction.  This would, incidently, keep the baggage car at the non-entry platform end of the Swiss termini, and SBB could keep the trainset intact.

 

3. John, when you say "which version" do you mean of the MTH 0 ga engines so far produced ?  If so, the most correct answer would be "none", since the R'gold was normally hauled by the later builds of the S3/6 with the flat cab face -- as MTH is doing in HO.  If you wish to use an MTH one, the black would be the first choice, followed by the green with red drivers [ if the latter has no tender lettering ].

Of course, one "solution" is to have the restored Rheingold trainset running on a more contemporary setting, and use whatever you like [ within reason, of course !! ] for power.  Lists of DRG locomotives rostered are in Ernst's R'gold book;  I recommend an '88 or later =  4th edition if one has a choice.

 

4.  Sorry, Yves and Michiel, no close up digital capability yet, so no photos from me.

Maybe by the time the OCEM cars finally show !

 

Best regards, SZ

 

PS John D:  Sorry, won't see you at York;  one of my gf's many, many nephews is getting married on Friday.  Friday !   Didn't they check the train show schedules before reserving the church and hall ?!??

@ Steinzeit...thanks for the added informations.

 Dunno when the protective coach regulation was abolished in Switzerland (or Germany for that matter)...will have to dig in the old SBB apprenticeship books to find an answer, but since they are back home and my Dad being away for a few weeks, will take a while.

 

Found the copy of the Eisenbahn Journal Rheingold Special as an e-version and on page 41 there is a pic of the Rheingold around Freiburg i B. (which is between Basel and Mannheim) with the baggage car at the end and no baggage/ filler car between the engine and cars....the cover pic also show the Rheingold with no filler car

 

Anyway it's a good read...so far..with nice pics....oh and by the way it's free.

 

http://www.topu.biz/rheingold/index.html#/1

 

And to go back to the Mth model, quick question about the interior lighting, is it LED or regular and also can it be switched on/off..??

 

Thanks again for your always well detailed post.

 

Sincerely,

 

 Thanks for the extra information! Looks like I got the wrong locomotive then for the Rheingold coaches (BR18 434), but I hope to pick up a book or the Eisenbahn Journal this weekend. The websites I've read don't seem conclusive... And there is also the option to just don't care that it's not 100% the correct locomotive  

 

 And I think the Rheingold coaches haven't arrived in Europe yet, they're still listed as not available on the reseller's websites and I don't see any forum posts over here of somebody mentioning having them.

Originally Posted by Lafondue:

And to go back to the Mth model, quick question about the interior lighting, is it LED or regular and also can it be switched on/off..??


The lights [ there are 7 of them ] appear to be LED's.  Their circuit board locations are marked + -, and there's 4 diodes at one end [ = bridge, I presume ]. 

There is no off-on switch, but it wouldn't be difficult [ as things go in model rr'ing life ] to splice one into the circuit, as the power is brought up to the ceiling at one end of the car;  a slide switch could be behind the nearest opening door !

[ And does anybody else think MTH needs a Mfg Engineer ?  Why, for example, have the two spring loaded contacts AND have that asbly connected with a plug ?  Why not just another half-inch of wire and the plug ?   It's almost as if somebody in China wants to drive up the labor and parts content -- I'm pretty sure he's related to the guy that sells MTH screws....]

 

I looked at the new MTH on-line catalogue today;  it's interesting that the color shown on the Rheingold set [ and which is probably an HO model ] is the shade of purple, or violet if you prefer, I think these cars should have been made.  But that's just an opinion, of course.

 

Best rgds, SZ

 

 

Originally Posted by Steinzeit:

The "1928 Rheingold" cars arrived at the house yesterday;  here are my initial observations and impressions:

  2.  The bottom entrance steps are truck mounted rather than body mounted, which is pretty much a requirement on any curve radii under 7 ft or so.

  3.  Removing the 'Lenz' coupler requires removing two screws and then moving the assemby up and back;  I had to do a fair amount of 'gentle prying' as well, as the car end is also a tight clip fit.   The instruction book makes it sound easier than it is -- or I am more of a klutz than their target reader.

 

 

  So I also got a Rheingold set and have run it back and forth a couple of times yesterday. I assume you're also using " schraubenkupplung" (original hook-coupler in English?), it took me almost an hour to put the whole train together. Removing the assembly for the Lenz coupler requires quite a bit of force indeed.

 

 Another question is the sound the Rheingold wagons make, with my set it's metal-on-metal "scratching"  sound. I think it's coming from the power pickups moving against the wheels, does anyone recognize that? I couldn't see any other part of the wheels touching metal.

 

Originally Posted by Michiel:

  

  So I also got a Rheingold set and have run it back and forth a couple of times yesterday. I assume you're also using " schraubenkupplung" (original hook-coupler in English?), it took me almost an hour to put the whole train together. Removing the assembly for the Lenz coupler requires quite a bit of force indeed.

 

 Another question is the sound the Rheingold wagons make, with my set it's metal-on-metal "scratching"  sound. I think it's coming from the power pickups moving against the wheels, does anyone recognize that? I couldn't see any other part of the wheels touching metal.

 

1.  I only have run three cars;  I changed out the Lenz couplings for the "model coupling" only on the two ends of the 'set'.*

 

2.  Somebody else will have to answer this one, I'm afraid:

  - I have severe hearing problems

  - and anyway I removed all the coach lighting circuitry from them.

 

Best regards, SZ

 

*Edited to add:  I did this to retain the KK feature of the Lenz coupler and mounting within the set.

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