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Since I am new to MTH's DCS, I think it my situation might be 'operator error'.

 

This past Saturday night I set up two ovals of FasTrack (O-84 and O-72 w/ 3 pieces of 30" straights on each side).

Connected the Z-4000 to the TIU as follows:

1) Track #1 (LH Throttle) to TIU Fixed #1 input. #1 Output to outside oval.

2) Track #2 (RH Throttle) to TIU Fixed #2 input. #2 Output to outside oval.

3) Installed new batteries into the DCS Remote, then powered up #1 to check power to the TIU. (Good to go).

4) Powered on the Remote and scrolled through the options for an initial look, while also trying to go through the user's guide.

5) Turned off the track power and installed my sole PS-2 Locomotive.

6) Re-applied power, and had the remote 'look' for the engine. "No Engine Found". 

7) Scrolled through the menu again after some more reading and checked the 'track'. "Engine won't be found on track #1 if the TIU is looking for it on track #2". So I make the correction - and after a couple of minutes 'viola' engine found, lights, start up sounds, etc. And run it around for a while.

8) Place the loco on track #2, power up track #2, signal the TIU to look on track #2 - after about two minutes, 'viola' engine is found again, etc.

 

My first question, how long does it usually take the TIU to 'find' the locomotive?

Next, now that the TIU has seen the loco and the track addresses, will I have to go through the procedure again? (Barring the PS-2 battery failing).

 

Monday, I moved the wiring over to Varible #1 and #2.

1) Placed same locomotive on track#1 to test in conventional mode. Applied power (18/19 Volts), went to the remote, found track variable #1 scrolled up the voltage slowly to get the loco moving (went all the way to 19V) - nothing. Powered down, then back up and tried again - nothing.

2) Moved the loco to track two, did the above listed and had the same thing.

3) Disconnected the track leads, applied power and checked with multimeter. Only had 1.3 volts at both tracks.

4) Started reading again, scratching my head, reading again and rechecking for voltage. Same voltage readings.

5) Next I go to the 'golden book' by Allan and start reading. There I find, clearly stated, to set the Z-4000 to 22 volts(did I miss something in the supplied user's guide?). Now I think "I got'cha!". Go through the above again and - nope "It still got me".

6) Back to reading.

7) Back to the Remote. Started through the menu's checking that the track's where active (TIU Var & Fix)(Z4K1 Trk 1, 2 & Fixed).  Remote gives me "thumbs up".

8) To satisfy my troubleshooting itch, I went back and powered up Variable 1(Z4K track 1{LH throttle}), then to the Remote and selected TIU1 VAR2. Started thumb wheeling up the voltage and "viola" I had locomotion!

9) Powered down, moved the locomotive to track 2, powered up Variable 2(Z4K track 2{RH throttle}), went to the remote and selected TIU1 Var1 - "viola" locomotion again!

10) In the remote, renamed TIU1 VAR1 to TIU1 VAR2 and vis-versa.

 

Has anyone come across this Track Address issue? If so, while my solution is working for me, is this a real fix? And, should I have had the issue? I'm not mad or disappointed. I am actually, kind of happy, because it forced me to do more reading. Which should help me understand the system better. (But, 'will I remember?' - 'That is the question!'  

 

The "System" is 4.20 Rev L.

 

Last thing on Monday was I switched the leads back to the fixed positions, and had this issue(which I intend to read on this week end);

1) in going back to command mode, the engine was responding to throttle, direction and headlight on and off - but no sound or smoke unit, and did not respond to the power-up/power-down buttons. (I will state that I made sure the locomotive was in the neutral postion when I concluded conventional operation). I powered down the Z4K, then powered up again(allowing about 30 seconds between moves) - same thing.

2) When I re-applied the power a third time, I had the Remote/TIU search for the engine again. Full functionality returned. (I will also state that I had the loco battery on charge for about 4 hours on Staurday and the remote was indicating that the battery is good - the engine has sat since purchase at York in Oct '10).

 

Again, not mad or disappointed - I just need to learn the system and remember how to use it.

 

Hey Allan, judging from the parts of your book that I was in this past weekend - two thumbs way up!   When I 'hit the books again' this weekend, I think I will read a piece of the DCS guide, your book - same area. Then play with the remote and engine.

 

Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

Henry J

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JHenry,

 

I had some trouble understanding exactly what was your actual issues, however, I have a few comments in general:

  • First, note that in order for any TIU channel to be functional, there must be power into either Fixed #1 IN or the Aux. Power Port.
  • Second, in order for a PS2 engine to b fully functional under DCS (light, sound and movement) you must first add the engine to the DCS Remote and then press STARTUP.
  • PS2 engines will operate under approx. 14 - 22 volts, it's to necessary to set the remote's volte to 22 volts.
  • When you had no engine sounds or smoke, it's moist likely because you turned off those features using the corresponding buttons on the CS Remote.

What book are you referring to by "Allan"?

 

This and a whole lot more is all in "The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition", now available for purchase as an eBook or a printed book from MTH's web store site! Click on the link below to go to MTH's web page for the book!

 
 

Talk about my mix ups!

 

My humble apologies! That would be your Companion Manual. (That is very embarassing for me. I think Allan Miller's name was stuck in my head from just reading a reply from him in another thread I read prior to posting this one).

 

And in re-reading my initial post, realize that I failed to note that;

1) I had a 14 volt adapter plugged into the Auxiliary power port.

2) That the engine had already been added to the remote.

3) That on the Variable #1 & #2  input the Z4K Throttles where set to 18/19 Volts when I attempted to operate the engine in conventional mode.

4) And lastly, that if I pressed to 'off' function for those functions it was without knowing it. (Prior to making the switch to check things in conventional model, I had used the 'shut-down button (6)' before powering down the Z4K.)

5) I should have clearly stated that when the TIU Variable 1 input had power applied, I had to go to the track address(name) TIU 1 VAR2, to get the engine to respond in conventional on my outside loop (TIU VAR1 output was connected to the outside loop).

 

I hope this helps clarify things, at least in part.

 

In the end, I have renamed TIU1 VAR1 to TIU1 VAR2 in the remote to get the power out of the TIU's actual Variable #2 output port and renamed TIU1 VAR2 to TIU1 VAR1 in the remote to get the power out of the TIU's actual Variable #1 output port.

 

Have you or anyone else encountered this issue? 

 

Thank You

 

Henry J

Henry,

1) I had a 14 volt adapter plugged into the Auxiliary power port.

Which adapter? Was the TIU's red LED lit? If not, the TIU was not powered on.

3) That on the Variable #1 & #2  input the Z4K Throttles where set to 18/19 Volts when I attempted to operate the engine in conventional mode.

Where you attempting to operate a PS2 or PS3 engine conventionally? If so, it won't work unless you turn off the DCS signal on the channel on which its operation is being attempted.

4) And lastly, that if I pressed to 'off' function for those functions it was without knowing it. (Prior to making the switch to check things in conventional model, I had used the 'shut-down button (6)' before powering down the Z4K.)

If you pressed those buttons before you powered off the track upon which the engine was sitting, it's possible that the sound and smoke would be in the off state upon subsequently ruining the engine again.

5) I should have clearly stated that when the TIU Variable 1 input had power applied, I had to go to the track address(name) TIU 1 VAR2, to get the engine to respond in conventional on my outside loop (TIU VAR1 output was connected to the outside loop).

That can only be so if you either wired the outside loop to Variable Channel #2 or you mis-identified TIU VAR 2 in the remote when yuo assigned the TIU Track.

In the end, I have renamed TIU1 VAR1 to TIU1 VAR2 in the remote to get the power out of the TIU's actual Variable #2 output port and renamed TIU1 VAR2 to TIU1 VAR1 in the remote to get the power out of the TIU's actual Variable #1 output port.

TIU Track names are only descriptive and are assigned to whichever channel you tell the TIU when you create the TIU Track. They do not route power.

 

Did you use the TIU Tracks already in the remote or did you create your own?

Barry,

 I used the the factory assigned TIU Tracks in the remote.

 

 I double checked the wiring. I ran one pair of wire from the Z-4000 Track 1 {LH Throttle} to Variable 1 input on TIU. And one pair of wire from the Z-4000 Track 2 {RH Throttle} to Variable 2 input on TIU.

 

 The 14 volt power supply is something I had laying around from and older answering machine - the Red Light in the TIU was on.

 

 The locomotive is a PS-2 equipped locomotive. It is the only one I have right now(a Reading G3 4-6-2 by SGL - it was completely upgraded by JDS Limited Productions back in 2010). Yes I was trying to run it in conventional mode, but by my own fault - have yet to read about turning off the DCS/PS2 signal.

 

 I guess I'll spend the weekend just reading the DCS user guide and your companion manual before I try running anything again.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Henry J

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