Steamer posted:I'm on the phone with U Haul checking prices on their largest truck.......
What are planning on taking some cars too? I thought you were a Mopar guy... me no have no Mopars! 
Jim Z posted:Greg J. Turinetti posted:Jim Z posted:
Jim Z,
What a great picture. If I didn't already collect tinplate this photo (and your layout) would have me hooked. Please show us more.
I really like the MTH villas which are enlarged versions of the ones that they have available for O gauge. How many different buildings have they done, and how many color variations? I have found 2 different styles of buildings. Are there more? I went to the MTH website, but apparently I am not very good at searching.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
MTH calologed Ivory and Peacok 1189 and the Cream and Red 1191villas from 2011 to 2014. In 2010 they listed a red 1191 with a green roof. I tried to find one without success. I also found a place for the two Bungalows.
Jim
Jim Z nice layout! Well done! What is the size of this layout?
naw...two toy cars are enough. I just think you have more of a project stash then we've seen.....
Got to run some tinplate last night on the local club's layout. It's been a while since I ran these and it was a nice change of pace. The colors and glossy enamel paint are such a contrast to the more prototypical stuff, it's like stepping back in time!
Lionel Corp Tinplate (LCT) #262E by MTH along with four LCT cars, an old tinplate caboose and a couple old tinplate passenger cars.
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handyandy posted:Robert S. Butler posted:Anatomy of a Footnote - American Flyer's Set #15
From 1914-1921 the American Flyer catalog featured train sets #16 and #15 with separate illustrations. Starting in 1922 Set #15 was relegated to footnote status with the notation below the illustration for set #16:
"Train No. 15 - Same as No, 16 with one less passenger car, 12 pieces of track."
The same illustration and footnote was used in the 1923 catalog.
In 1925 Flyer added an observation car to the #16 set and the catalog for 1925 described dear old Footnote #15 as below:
Both sets were featured in this manner through 1926 and then disappeared from the catalog line-up in 1927. In 1929 Set #16 was resurrected as the Prairie State Set but set #15 had rolled into the sunset.
What is interesting is that, while the catalog states Set #15 is the same as #16 but with one less car, the handful of 1922 and later boxed sets I've managed to view over the years insist there is a small cosmetic difference. The passenger cars in the #16 sets for those years had litho car numbers of #1103 whereas the passenger car in Set #15 has a car number of 1306 (Both sets had the same baggage car - #1205).
American Flyer Set #15 - 1925
I don't know if what I have seen is nothing more than sample bias or if indeed this small cosmetic change was an attempt on the part of American Flyer to visually differentiate Set #15 from Set #16 beyond the obvious lack of a second passenger car. Either way, I think it's an interesting bit of toy train trivia.
Which set or sets would have had red versions of those cars? I have a couple of the 1306 coaches, a 1205 baggage and an observation. I thing they are little newer based on the roof profile.
I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you. What I do know is that the roof style of your cars was introduced in 1923. You can see that the illustrated cars from the 1923 catalog cut match what you have. While Flyer introduced this style in 1923 they kept manufacturing the square cornered roofs. According to Greenberg this side-by-side manufacturing practice lasted through 1932.
Greenberg is less than informative when it comes to the #1306 car. All they indicate is a production time frame from 1922-1926. This does parallel the footnoting of set #15 but, by itself, it proves nothing. I didn't specifically state this in the first post but the only times I've seen a #1306 in a set were those times when I found a boxed set #15. Given the fact that these cars show up with a fair degree of regularity at train meets I seriously doubt the car was only featured in the #15 sets. One of these days I'm going to find a boxed Flyer set that isn't a #15 with a #1306 passenger car for sale and when I do I will at least have a listing of another set that included this car.
picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
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Greg J. Turinetti posted:Wow, Its a new weekend and time for another tinplate thread; and folks are still posting to the thread from last week. That has to be a record.
The streamlined cars that I posted last week were very popular. So let me post examples of all the colors that they came in.
The green cars were cataloged from 1936 through 1938
(Terry likes these)
Blue cars were cataloged in 1938 and 1939.
(Steve likes these)
Red cars were cataloged in 1939 and 1940.
(Dennis likes these)
Chrome cars were cataloged in 1938 and 1939
(Dennis likes these too)
Then there were two color variations of the cars that were used for recognizable trains.
Union Pacific Streamlined sets were cataloged in 1936 through 1939. There is actually a light yellow version and a dark yellow version.
I like all of them, but I think that my sentimental favorite is the Hiawatha. The Hiawatha color scheme was available in 1936 and 1937
It boasts its own distinctive end to the observation car.
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
"bombs bursting in midair"no,its just my brain,and train budget,yeaks
Terry, man, your falling hard for this American Flyer gal! She's a great one though lots 0 variety! That's a nice looking engine you picked up too. Should be pretty easy to find the correct tender for it too.
terry hudon posted:picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
Terry,
I think what you have there is a #420.
I can't tell for sure because of the lighting. The boiler is a Type X and it was cataloged for quite a while with a variety of numbers, but it was introduced in 1932. If you can post a photo with better lighting I might be able to tell you more. Nice find. Does she run?
As far as train budget - You have to remember that I have been at this for almost 30 years. The expense has been spread out over a few decades.
As Dennis has noted. Its good to see that you are falling for an All American (Flyer) Lady. She does indeed sing a sweet siren song. Welcome! 
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg J. Turinetti posted:terry hudon posted:picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
Terry,
I think what you have there is a #420.
I can't tell for sure because of the lighting. The boiler is a Type X and it was cataloged for quite a while with a variety of numbers, but it was introduced in 1932. If you can post a photo with better lighting I might be able to tell you more. Nice find. Does she run?
As far as train budget - You have to remember that I have been at this for almost 30 years. The expense has been spread out over a few decades.
As Dennis has noted. Its good to see that you are falling for an All American (Flyer) Lady. She does indeed sing a sweet siren song. Welcome!
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg,
Would you have a 4-8-4 in your collection? Was this the biggest O gauge prewar engine?
Thanks,
George
A 1910-11 Ives 128.
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Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:A 1910-11 Ives 128.
Steve is that Standard Gauge? Looks bigger than mine. I really like the colors on yours.
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jhz563 posted:Murnane posted:
Rich,
I’m jealous, I’ve been on the lookout for a red 816!! I even found one today but it was too beat up for the asking price.
I did see a few really nice sets today, just not in this months budget.
Thanks John, it looks like you found a honey hole there from those pictures. From my limited experience, most places I've found that look like are antique type of stores that have a shelf or two of trains with prices so high that most items will sit there forever. I can't tell from the pictures how the prices are, but the items do look nice. I have those three green passenger cars (passed to me from my dad from when he was a kid) but don't have the engine - I even have the box but it's literally falling apart and every time I touch it more pieces break off.
terry hudon posted:picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
The boiler features from back to front are reverse lever sticking out of boiler just in front of the cab, small dome with pipes, 3 brass pop valves, large dome with pipes, bell and smokestack. All of this and the valve gear arrangement with the hangers connected to the cylinders would suggest the engine is a #3300 locomotive.
As for size, in terms of length only, it looks like the O gauge "Hudson" with the large cast tender and the 3/16" Union Pacific 4-8-4 are the longest with the reference indicating a length of 21 1/2".
If your looking for something with 8 drivers, I understand that these are out there.... Might have to trade an automobile for it, but they are out there...
And this might be the coolest one, a custom of the type 44 2-10-0 class made from Marklin parts. It would be a good use of a pile of 12890 wheels lol. Correction, the 2-10-0 is an HGM product representing a what might have been. Here's a link to the Tinplate Times article..
http://www.tinplatetimes.com/M...plate/Booth3/hgm.htm
Either way, I really like it!
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Murnane posted:
Thanks John, it looks like you found a honey hole there from those pictures. From my limited experience, most places I've found that look like are antique type of stores that have a shelf or two of trains with prices so high that most items will sit there forever.
Rich the wife and I frequent antique shops quite a bit, and I have seen that too. But I've also found some good deals there too.
Steamer posted:Murnane posted:
Thanks John, it looks like you found a honey hole there from those pictures. From my limited experience, most places I've found that look like are antique type of stores that have a shelf or two of trains with prices so high that most items will sit there forever.
Rich the wife and I frequent antique shops quite a bit, and I have seen that too. But I've also found some good deals there too.
Almost like its really good or really bad, no in between lol. Don't remember too many borderline visits where I had to think about it... was always either buy it or just walk away and forget about it.
Robert S. Butler posted:terry hudon posted:picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
The boiler features from back to front are reverse lever sticking out of boiler just in front of the cab, small dome with pipes, 3 brass pop valves, large dome with pipes, bell and smokestack. All of this and the valve gear arrangement with the hangers connected to the cylinders would suggest the engine is a #3300 locomotive.
As for size, in terms of length only, it looks like the O gauge "Hudson" with the large cast tender and the 3/16" Union Pacific 4-8-4 are the longest with the reference indicating a length of 21 1/2".
Robert,
Your eyes are better than mine. Now that you point out the details I agree with you. It does look more like a #3300 style locomotive (Type VIII boiler casting). I guess I shouldn't try to identify an engine in the dark after 10 pm. 
Here are a couple of photos I borrowed from Google Images that show the details of a Type VIII.
What do you think Terry? Is this your loco?
George S posted:Greg,
Would you have a 4-8-4 in your collection? Was this the biggest O gauge prewar engine?
Thanks,
George
George,
I don't have a prewar O gauge version of the 4-8-4 in the collection. I try to limit my collecting energies (not too successfully I might add) to the Chicago Flyer era. I do have some examples of 3/16 O gauge equipment in the collection just because they show the transition that Gilbert was making before the war. I do have several examples of the 4-8-4 in the S gauge portion of the collection.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Steamer posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:A 1910-11 Ives 128.
Steve is that Standard Gauge? Looks bigger than mine. I really like the colors on yours.
Dave, they are the same except color, truck and coupler
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Greg J. Turinetti posted:Robert S. Butler posted:terry hudon posted:picked up this af nugget will repaint at least the boiler front,will need a good cleaning and lube
The boiler features from back to front are reverse lever sticking out of boiler just in front of the cab, small dome with pipes, 3 brass pop valves, large dome with pipes, bell and smokestack. All of this and the valve gear arrangement with the hangers connected to the cylinders would suggest the engine is a #3300 locomotive.
As for size, in terms of length only, it looks like the O gauge "Hudson" with the large cast tender and the 3/16" Union Pacific 4-8-4 are the longest with the reference indicating a length of 21 1/2".
Robert,
Your eyes are better than mine. Now that you point out the details I agree with you. It does look more like a #3300 style locomotive (Type VIII boiler casting). I guess I shouldn't try to identify an engine in the dark after 10 pm.
Here are a couple of photos I borrowed from Google Images that show the details of a Type VIII.
What do you think Terry? Is this your loco?
George S posted:Greg,
Would you have a 4-8-4 in your collection? Was this the biggest O gauge prewar engine?
Thanks,
George
George,
I don't have a prewar O gauge version of the 4-8-4 in the collection. I try to limit my collecting energies (not too successfully I might add) to the Chicago Flyer era. I do have some examples of 3/16 O gauge equipment in the collection just because they show the transition that Gilbert was making before the war. I do have several examples of the 4-8-4 in the S gauge portion of the collection.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
wow thanks you guys for all the id help ,now I will have to find a tender some day,,you guys rock
Terry,
You are welcome. Helping others identify trains and know something about their history is a great part of this hobby. Have you noticed if your engine has a boiler light or a bell?
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Steamer posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:A 1910-11 Ives 128.
Steve is that Standard Gauge? Looks bigger than mine. I really like the colors on yours.
Dave, they are the same except color, truck and coupler
great....something else I have to look for now.....
I'm a greenie....
There's always something else.... That's the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
New addition.
Joe Gozzo
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Trainlover160 posted:New addition.
Joe Gozzo
great bunch of guys,,,enjoyed their visit and spending time with them at the tca convention this last summer
Robert S. Butler posted:handyandy posted:Robert S. Butler posted:Anatomy of a Footnote - American Flyer's Set #15
From 1914-1921 the American Flyer catalog featured train sets #16 and #15 with separate illustrations. Starting in 1922 Set #15 was relegated to footnote status with the notation below the illustration for set #16:
"Train No. 15 - Same as No, 16 with one less passenger car, 12 pieces of track."
The same illustration and footnote was used in the 1923 catalog.
In 1925 Flyer added an observation car to the #16 set and the catalog for 1925 described dear old Footnote #15 as below:
Both sets were featured in this manner through 1926 and then disappeared from the catalog line-up in 1927. In 1929 Set #16 was resurrected as the Prairie State Set but set #15 had rolled into the sunset.
What is interesting is that, while the catalog states Set #15 is the same as #16 but with one less car, the handful of 1922 and later boxed sets I've managed to view over the years insist there is a small cosmetic difference. The passenger cars in the #16 sets for those years had litho car numbers of #1103 whereas the passenger car in Set #15 has a car number of 1306 (Both sets had the same baggage car - #1205).
American Flyer Set #15 - 1925
I don't know if what I have seen is nothing more than sample bias or if indeed this small cosmetic change was an attempt on the part of American Flyer to visually differentiate Set #15 from Set #16 beyond the obvious lack of a second passenger car. Either way, I think it's an interesting bit of toy train trivia.
Which set or sets would have had red versions of those cars? I have a couple of the 1306 coaches, a 1205 baggage and an observation. I thing they are little newer based on the roof profile.
I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you. What I do know is that the roof style of your cars was introduced in 1923. You can see that the illustrated cars from the 1923 catalog cut match what you have. While Flyer introduced this style in 1923 they kept manufacturing the square cornered roofs. According to Greenberg this side-by-side manufacturing practice lasted through 1932.
Greenberg is less than informative when it comes to the #1306 car. All they indicate is a production time frame from 1922-1926. This does parallel the footnoting of set #15 but, by itself, it proves nothing. I didn't specifically state this in the first post but the only times I've seen a #1306 in a set were those times when I found a boxed set #15. Given the fact that these cars show up with a fair degree of regularity at train meets I seriously doubt the car was only featured in the #15 sets. One of these days I'm going to find a boxed Flyer set that isn't a #15 with a #1306 passenger car for sale and when I do I will at least have a listing of another set that included this car.
Thanks Robert. Just more of the mystery of old toy trains.
Here is a short video of my Lionel Classics 400e adapted to run an all wide gauge Dorfan freight consist:
nice thanks for sharing
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Jim,
The Dixie Queen comes in two very similar color variations. One is more violet in color.
In these two photos the difference can be difficult to see.
This photo of the more violet set in its boxes tends to show the violet color a little better.
A side by side comparison of the cars together shows the difference a bit better
In person the color difference is much more distinct.
The Dixie Queen was in the catalog in 1930 and 1931, quite a few years before the curley cue coupler was used. I will be interested to see your car. I wonder if it is something that Flyer put together to clean out the factory or if it is an alteration by a previous owner.
The variations in Flyer can seem to be never ending.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg it is actually the baggage rather than a pullman and the color is consistent on both the sides and the roof. Took a few photos this weekend. Further research on Worthopedia shows this as a 234B and part of a #303 20th Century Streamline set. I believe the blue was only available in 1939.
Unfortunately one of the door handles came loose while I was taking the photos and the door is inside now.
A full consist of the 4 cars is pictured here:
https://www.worthpoint.com/wor...rewar-blue-132659971
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Jim,
The blue version of those cars is not easy to come by.
They appeared only in the 1939 catalog and I have heard that many of them are actually repainted red versions.
Your description of the car having the curly cue (sheet metal knuckle or Automatic) coupler had me puzzled. Now the description makes sense.
If you like the thrill of the hunt they will definitely provide you with entertainment. But here is what you will end up with.
The engine is also not easy to find either, but she a very sleek looking streamliner.
Enjoy the hunt.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Thanks for the information, Greg. That 417 loco is a real looker too.
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Jim,
The blue version of those cars is not easy to come by.
They appeared only in the 1939 catalog and I have heard that many of them are actually repainted red versions.
Your description of the car having the curly cue (sheet metal knuckle or Automatic) coupler had me puzzled. Now the description makes sense.
If you like the thrill of the hunt they will definitely provide you with entertainment. But here is what you will end up with.
The engine is also not easy to find either, but she a very sleek looking streamliner.
Enjoy the hunt.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
love the names of all the af sets,is that loco sheet metal ?
That's a lovely set Greg!
PD
terry hudon posted:love the names of all the af sets,is that loco sheet metal ?
Terry,
The body of the loco and the tender are sheet metal. The nose of the loco is die cast.
Flyer used the same sheet metal body for a number of years in different locos, but the die cast front was only used in 1939.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
those are to wild,but how creative they were for their time
