Weekend tinplate photos/videos 1/4/19!

As you might know I am interested in toys and models representing Wagon-Lits (CIWL) trains. This week I received as a present this Märklin tinplate H0 gauge sleeping car. The car is quite generic. Märklin made the same car also as a restaurant car.

Regards

Fred

A very nice french clockwork modèle from the twenties with complète set of cars made by SIF predating JEP. Those trains where mainly sold in Paris great stores as Samaritaine, le Bon Marche, and where expensives in that time.

Have a great tinplate weekend and a wonderfull new year.   Daniel 

Chris Lonero posted:

Lets see your Tinplate! 

So Chris, is this what "tinplate trains" means to you now? LOL 

Seriously, the litho photos are beautiful. I saw some of your lighted modern items on other threads. Those are very cool too! From a guy who has trains in almost every scale, you can never have too many no matter what size or era!

George

Fred and Daniel, beautiful stuff!

running a Marx passenger set this week

A few news in the collection.

Brimtoy George V Loco from around 1935. I had searched one year for the matching tender.

2 Bub train indicator for the Netherlands. Made in the 20s.

Bing small UK station for trainsets. Made around 1930.

And a bit tinkering over the X-mas days. Resized Bing 0 gauge cars to 00 gauge.

A design was drawn on the computer. This was printed on transfer paper and laminated to painted 0.2mm tin.

Gunpowder car

With the 0 gauge template

Milk Traffic car

With the 0 gauge template.

Together with a orginal Bing Table Train car

Arne

Sticking with Chris' theme.

I'm going off base a bit. Works for me, I'm a Meatloaf fan.

Steve

Its time to get my tinplate fix for the week.   Great contributions this week folks.  Thanks for supporting my habit.

Here is American Flyer set #1378 RCT  coming around the bend.

This version of the Ambassador appeared in the 1934 and 1935 catalogs.  The same copy was used except for a few minor changes in the description.

It has taken a while to assemble all of the parts of the set.  A few knowledgeable folks and those with eagle eyes will notice that I do not yet have the appropriate tender for the set. It should be a die cast semi-Vanderbilt tender (the hunt continues). However the tender that I have paired up with the 3326 is unique in its own right. 

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

...and keeping with the momentary trend in things Flyer here's the catalog cut for the train set #0 from 1922

....and the set contents

as I'm sure you can see - just like today issues concerning production quality were around in 1922.  At least they sort of got the punched window openings close to where they should have been

....and an addition

  In addition to making the salmon/yellow orange color coach Flyer also made a litho baggage with the same treatment.  I've wanted a companion baggage car to go with my coach for many years.  About 3 months ago the search came to an end.  The difference in color saturation between the two cars is just a matter of the way I lit them for the pictures - they really are the same hue and color.

OK you guys...three can play at this game...

FRED, DANIEL and ARNE: I am speechless! Your examples are museum quality specimans. BRAVO, and THANKS for sharing!  ☺

ARNE: The litho backhead on that Brimtoy loco made me smile!  ☺

only a Fandor crane and an Empire Express coach purchased last week. but I have a few more irons in the fire....

https://photos.google.com/shar...ZGloWWJqV1pQRjRGVEJB

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I always like looking at the Friday tinplate photos. This is my first attempt at participating. Happy New Year!

great first time!!

Riding the Tinplate Rails...

Happy New Year, fellow Tinplaters!

Tom 

Nothing too new at Casa Fatmanos this week , so I have delved into the depths of the collection to showcase a mystery from the early 20's I believe?

Its a loco marked C.B.N ... there is a theory I have read where it might be Karl Bub ( Nurnberg) but I really couldnt see Karl being happy with a C instead of a K ... doesnt match with my image of Germanic precision lol

That said it DOES resemble very much a KBN model of the time, it would be interesting to know the real back story though

PhillyChris posted:

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I always like looking at the Friday tinplate photos. This is my first attempt at participating. Happy New Year!

Welcome Aboard!  Its great to have you join us.

Here is a tip of the old fedora to a fine carpet central layout.

Please keep posting.

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

A very nice french clockwork modèle from the twenties with complète set of cars made by SIF predating JEP. Those trains where mainly sold in Paris great stores as Samaritaine, le Bon Marche, and where expensives in that time.

Have a great tinplate weekend and a wonderfull new year.   Daniel 

Very nice, love that loco- and that's quite the elaborate logo!

PhillyChris posted:

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I always like looking at the Friday tinplate photos. This is my first attempt at participating. Happy New Year!

For a first one..... it is a GREAT one !!! Very nice display , so don't miss to post more we all will enjoy to look at your pictures.

Very best,  Daniel

A video of a collector meeting at the French toy train museum in Rambouillet near Paris. A rare opportunity to see some great collector pieces in action, especially the Marklin pneumatic command control more than a hundred years old and also clockwork and real steam locos in action.                                                                  A thing that you will not see everyday.....

Daniel

Excellent video Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS, thank you for sharing ... I grasped at my chest when the live steam derailed and you saw it flaring up ! ... Probably a reminder of why they dont get sold for todays kids ... half of them would be too busy posting a pic to facebook rather than stopping the house burning down LOL!

I love watching these glorious old girls doing their thing

Fatman posted:

Nothing too new at Casa Fatmanos this week , so I have delved into the depths of the collection to showcase a mystery from the early 20's I believe?

Its a loco marked C.B.N ... there is a theory I have read where it might be Karl Bub ( Nurnberg) but I really couldnt see Karl being happy with a C instead of a K ... doesnt match with my image of Germanic precision lol

That said it DOES resemble very much a KBN model of the time, it would be interesting to know the real back story though

It could be Bing  (GBN for Gebruder Bing Nurnberg), see here: https://www.historytoy.com/bin...gruen-schwarz-spur-0

Regards

Fred

Thanks Fred @sncf231e ... I would definitely say they are the same locomotive .. the other side I didnt show makes it much clearer

Looking very close the only differences I can see are the side rod pattern, the middle boiler cap shape and the unusual tender coupling on the Historytoy version ... one is possibly a year or so earlier than the other perhaps ? Or perhaps one for export ( mine was found in Canada) and the other for domestic ... it surely is a conundrum though , Bing? Bub? or something in between lol

So many of these early pieces are collaborative between manufacturers, something you never hear of today .... Imagine if Lionel had a huge order to fill in a limited timeline, I am pretty sure they would not be ringing up Bachmann and saying " Hey Mate can you bang out 1000 of these  for me, I'm flat out .. Thanks! Pick them up next week ! "

That said no matter what the story, it remains one of my most admired Locos, just something about it

Fatman posted:

Nothing too new at Casa Fatmanos this week , so I have delved into the depths of the collection to showcase a mystery from the early 20's I believe?

Its a loco marked C.B.N ... there is a theory I have read where it might be Karl Bub ( Nurnberg) but I really couldnt see Karl being happy with a C instead of a K ... doesnt match with my image of Germanic precision lol

That said it DOES resemble very much a KBN model of the time, it would be interesting to know the real back story though

Hello,

we also discussed this a few year ago with german experts.

Probably this comes from the time of the acquisition of Carette tools by karl Bub.

Presumably, the inscription says "Carette Bub Nurnberg".

I have a similar Loco from a automatically train set with other couplers.

Arne

Thank you @Arne

Thats making much sense as well ... at least we know there is at least three of us out there with one and wondering

I think a goodly part of the magic of such old trains is the stories they tell and the secrets they sometimes hide ... I have a "beauty" lined up for next weeks photo's LOLOLOL!

Fatman posted:

 

So many of these early pieces are collaborative between manufacturers, something you never hear of today .... Imagine if Lionel had a huge order to fill in a limited timeline, I am pretty sure they would not be ringing up Bachmann and saying " Hey Mate can you bang out 1000 of these  for me, I'm flat out .. Thanks! Pick them up next week ! "

 

When I saw the early JEP (SIF) train posted by Daniel in this thread I thought the cars look very similar to Issmayer:

Maybe there is a link there also? 

Regards

Fred

Fred, I think it is all a crafty plot by the pioneering manufacturers who somehow knew 80 or a 100 years later some grown men playing with toys would scratch their heads and mutter seriously about them in dim lit corners

" Bonsoir Monsieur Georges ... what do you reckon if we swap things about a bit...? "

"Ahhh Herr Bubb what a wonderful idea ... that will teach these grown men who play with toys!"

" I concur Carettey Old friend... it will drive them Bonkers... hang on , let me get Ignaz Bing over here, he knows how to party, should I invite Hornby"

" No No No .. Not Hornby, he will just prattle on about Meccano, why wont he just learn to make a train set, it would make life so much easier than fiddly horrible screws and nuts! "

Fatman posted:

So many of these early pieces are collaborative between manufacturers, something you never hear of today .... Imagine if Lionel had a huge order to fill in a limited timeline, I am pretty sure they would not be ringing up Bachmann and saying " Hey Mate can you bang out 1000 of these  for me, I'm flat out .. Thanks! Pick them up next week ! "

That said no matter what the story, it remains one of my most admired Locos, just something about it

There were many cooperations, but it was also often copied cheekily. For example:

Brimtoy (left) and Karl Bub

Brimtoy (on top) and Bing

Arne

All of this is very interesting, I don't know if there where something between SIF and ISSMAYER ...but who knows for sure.

Looking in the junk yard I also have the same loco but without any stamping on it..... So it could be  what you want ....

Very best,   Daniel

In his book Issmayer Trains: The Missing Catalog - Bowes points out that different manufacturers making things for other manufacturers was commonplace back when.  He does state in his book that it is known Issmayer made product for Carette and Bing.  On page 144 of his book he has a picture of a locomotive that is an exact match for Frenchtrains Junkyard engine.  The engine is part of a set and Bowes opinion is that the engine is Bub and the passenger cars are Issmayer.  He also has a picture of a C.B.N. engine on pages 142-143. The title of the two page section is "Issmayer or Bub?"  He doesn't provide a definitive answer to the question but does highlight similarities.

  What is interesting about the Bowes book is he confirms what most of us, at some level, have long suspected - information on Issmayer and its activities is very limited even though its focus on low end price point trains has made its product a common sight in many countries.

In the book "The wonderful world of Toys, Games and Dolls" written by Joseph J. Schroeder, is one page from the 1911 catalog of the US seller "Youth´s Companion". This page shows the Bub Loco with KBN. A few of the Carette tools was sold to Bub after 1917. Possibly the CBN was after 1917.

Bub had made similar later again, in 1932 Bub had buyed tools from Bing and in 1933, some Bub cars had the trademarks KBN and BW together.

Arne

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

A video of a collector meeting at the French toy train museum in Rambouillet near Paris. A rare opportunity to see some great collector pieces in action, especially the Marklin pneumatic command control more than a hundred years old and also clockwork and real steam locos in action.                                                                  A thing that you will not see everyday.....

Daniel

Daniel,

  Very nice video, but there were a couple of scary derailments, one with flames! 

Tom 

Carette’s factory was seized in 1914 by the German government at the time of WW1 because Carette was a French citizen. The German government ordered the liquidation of the company in 1916. He had collaborated with Bub previous and Bub bought the tooling for continental European model railways, while the British tooling went to Bassett-Lowke. This comes from the Brighton Toy Museum site. 

George

Hello George,

The whole thing is a bit more complicated.

Carette had to flee to France; the business was carried on until his task in 1917 by his partner. The exact circumstances remain unclear. In any case, his longtime business partner Bing founded a collection company, the Bauer GmbH, which took over the company from Carette. The Richard Bauer GmbH was just one of the many independent ventures in the widely branched company of the Bing brothers. Bing also took over most of the tools and molds from Carette with the Bauer GmbH, and other parts were taken over by Karl Bub and Bassett-Lowke in England.

Arne

MNCW posted:

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

A video of a collector meeting at the French toy train museum in Rambouillet near Paris. A rare opportunity to see some great collector pieces in action, especially the Marklin pneumatic command control more than a hundred years old and also clockwork and real steam locos in action.                                                                  A thing that you will not see everyday.....

Daniel

Daniel,

  Very nice video, but there were a couple of scary derailments, one with flames! 

Tom 

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Fatman posted:

Excellent video Daniel @FRENCHTRAINS, thank you for sharing ... I grasped at my chest when the live steam derailed and you saw it flaring up ! ... Probably a reminder of why they dont get sold for todays kids ... half of them would be too busy posting a pic to facebook rather than stopping the house burning down LOL!

I love watching these glorious old girls doing their thing

Oh the humanity!!! Wow, what an amazing video, Daniel thank you for posting this. There are quite a few other excellent videos posted by the same person.

A slow run by of a string of PFE reefers.

Steve