I bougt a supposedly original instruction sheet for the 2245 MKT F-3 & I noticed the two diagrams inside show an FM Trainmaster with vertical motors instead of the F-3 & its' single, horizontal motor. Does anyone else have this paper & is yours also wrong? Seems crazy to me & I'm worried I bought a fraudulent item.
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Funny you should ask. I just looked at my sheet (2245-45 6-54), and it also has FM diagrams, something I'd never noticed. Who'd you get the sheet from? (I ask because there is an eBay guy who sells instruction sheets that a reputable guy I know told me was selling bogus ones.) If you'd rather email me, my address is in my profile.
IDK, mine seems legit. Its' worn a little & doesn't seem recently printed. Not really sure. I'm sort of relieved yours is the same way, unless they're both fraudulent.
The 2245 Texas Special F-3 was produced with a horizontal motor in 1954 and with a vertical motor in 1955. So “railroaded’s” sheet is correct for the vertical motor version. But Chris’s sheet dated 6-54 should show a horizontal motor. My well-worn original instruction sheet is also dated 6-54 but it shows the horizontal motor. Attached is a scan.
HTH,
Bill
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Mine is dated 6-54 & it clearly shows the Trainmaster frame & components. Its not even close. They must have been made wrong then. Oh well.
Bill, thanks for posting your sheet. My version definitely does not have F3 diagrams like yours but instead has FM ones. I suspect I have a bogus sheet, as may Railroaded. While it's a small matter, I'm pretty unhappy to learn this and fear that I may have bought several illegit sheets from the same guy.
Chris
If it is fraudulent, how the heck old are they? Mine is yellowed & has the typical light stains on it that you'd see on a piece of paper that was stored in a damp basement. Could Lionel have had a bunch of these get out that were printed wrong?
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Those are the same diagrams I have.
Yes, those are figures 2 and 4 from two different Lionel FM Trainmaster Instruction sheets I have dated 6-55 and 9-54, respectively. And those pages definitely do not look like a recent reprint!
I suspect that yours and Chris’s are factory errors but on the other hand Greenberg’s Lionel Paper book by Bob Osterhoff only lists one variation of the 2245 instruction sheet (Form #2245-45 dated 6-54). You would think that (1) your misprinted variation would be listed in that paper reference book plus (2) Lionel would have changed the sheet in 1955 when they came out with the vertical motor version.
There’s probably tens of thousands of those sheets out there among postwar collectors and operators so it would be desirable to hear from more members who have 2245 instruction sheets describing what is included in theirs. Please be specific regarding what diagrams it shows (FM or F3 diagrams), which motor (horizontal or vertical) and if it is the same as or if it differs in any way from the two variations mentioned with scans posted so far.
Bill