Welcome to the Legacy Users Group Meeting April 20th, 2018. Agenda Posted!

I'll be there.   Marty, thanks again for all the work you do in organizing this.

My question is in regards to the upcoming Legacy engines that also feature Bluetooth control.  I run most of my engines at public shows, and I was wondering if there will be a way to shut off Bluetooth access or some other security measure (password?) so that someone in the crowd cannot connect with their phone and take control without my permission?

Andy

I'm in! It's always informative.

The only question I have is , I would like to have the sensor track explained in detail.

MIKATT1 posted:

I'm in! It's always informative.

The only question I have is , I would like to have the sensor track explained in detail.

I think it's probably a good subject to review especially with the IRV2 coming out.  Anything specific?

I will be there!

I'll be there.   Thanks again for holding this event.

My question:   

I have Legacy base and had a Base-1L.   I noticed that the Base-1L didn't send out as strong of signal as my Legacy base.   On my layout the problem was 3 CC Fastrack switches that wouldn't respond with the Base-1L, but worked perfectly with the Legacy base.  I seem to recall reading on the OGR forum that it was either a power supply problem or that the signal needed "tuning" by adding a capacitor.   Is this still a issue?  I would like to purchase another Base-1L as a backup for my Legacy base.  

Andy Hummell posted:

I'll be there.   Marty, thanks again for all the work you do in organizing this.

My question is in regards to the upcoming Legacy engines that also feature Bluetooth control.  I run most of my engines at public shows, and I was wondering if there will be a way to shut off Bluetooth access or some other security measure (password?) so that someone in the crowd cannot connect with their phone and take control without my permission?

Andy

I've always thought some security should exist for the Legacy system itself.  At a show there is nothing to stop a person with a Cab2 from connecting to another groups base and creating an issue.  A simple pin when you connect to a base would do it. Obviously something that you could turn on or off so not become an annoyance at home.

Is it possible for Lionel to incorporate some form of security into a future software release?

MichRR714 posted:

I've always thought some security should exist for the Legacy system itself.  At a show there is nothing to stop a person with a Cab2 from connecting to another groups base a creating an issue.  A simple pin when you connect to a base would do it. Obviously something that you could turn on or off so not become an annoyance at home.

I would think this case is too rare to warrant the expense of a re-design.  I have seen cases of people doing this as a practical joke (within the club), but it is unlikely that most train guys would do it to be malicious.  The public on the other hand... well, we experienced two cases in just the last 6 months where teenagers threw switches on our layout with the intent of causing mayhem (a wreck and derailment in our cases).  We saw the culprits in one case and they ran when they knew we identified them, but with everyone having a cell phone, they could safely and anonymously watch the results of their efforts.

Andy

Andy,

   I did not know this happened to your club, did it happen at Kennywood?   I hope you caught the guy and made darn sure he would never play games with your incredible layout again.  With the engineering design Lionel has used I do not know how to stop this from happening, short of making sure no other Cab2 or Cab1L would be allowed in the area of your layout.

PCRR/Dave

Hey everyone can we keep this thread for the Legacy Users questions?  When I go to gather the questions I don't want to try to discern questions from discussions.

Hi! I will be there!  Thanks for organizing.

Thanks Marty for your continued service to Lionel Legacy users.  I will not be able to attend but I do have a question.

Q:  Does Lionel have any plans for LCS users to have the option to upload their control panels and track plans to the cloud?  I have a lot of time invested in both types of files and I want an option other than sharing with another iPad as a means of backing them up.

thanks!

Q. Did Lionel discontinue the Black module used for updates? If they did, do they have a solution they are willing to share on how users would update the CAB-2 and Legacy Command Base.

So with a month to go we have about 2 weeks for questions to be submitted.  Along with the Q&A, Dave Olson's presentation on the new LCS modules, it looks like this meeting will primarily review the sensor track and it's uses as well as what the LCS partners have to use with them.  We will briefly touch upon the BlueTooth / Legacy setup as it gets closer to being in all Legacy engines.  Beyond that it could be a short meeting depending on any other suggestions for things to cover.  We may evaluate the thought of going to a "Fall Only" meeting as Legacy has been out for over 10 years and folks become comfortable with it.

See you on the 20th.  I am also interested in IRV2 capabilities.

John

Would they add load detection at the motor, by electronically sensing it as a junior version of the "force coupler".

Marty;

First, thanks for all you do with the Legacy group - you are a gentleman and a scholar!!!

I don't know if this has come up in prior years, but is there any way to create trains with TMCC engines (or other TMCC cars) on a Cab2 with numbers over 9??? If not, has Lionel considered a method to allow higher TMCC train numbers???

Thanks.

Just to makes sure everyone is on the same page, the April meeting will go on as planned. 

As Barry, for the DCS dinner has stated and I've noticed in this thread, the interest in the meetings is not what it has been in the past.  For Legacy I chalk this up the the system being 10 years old or so and folks are more comfortable with it.  It also depends on what and if there are any new updates or additions to Legacy or LCS.  There is a lot of folks here willing to help here and that helps people in real time.  So we will use the April and Fall gatherings to gauge whether we continue to go twice a year on down to one.  My only concern is losing the room but we'll deal with that if and when it comes to it.

As Barry will attest, it is a lot to organize, plan, and present but I am also sure he will agree worth it but in the end but without folks it doesn't make sense to continue a 2 times a year meeting.  So let's see what April and October brings.  Until then keep the questions coming and we'll forge on to April.

I'd also like to see more user configuration of the engines. We already talked about sound but other "variables" may be settable -- these could be exposed to the user, perhaps only at the "premium app".   Simple example -- led flash rate -- although I was thinking more about tuning performance variable.  

Q: I know that a user can change the tone of the bell and whistle on LC engines with the bluetooth app.  I also know that a user is not able to make similar changes on Legacy engines using the app.  Can someone help me understand what the difference is between the engines?  Follow up, at some point will I be able to alter those tones on Legacy engines?

Q:  Who will be attempting to fill Jon Z's role at Lionel?  

Q:  Will Jon Z's retiement lead to different suppliers of boards for Lionel products or impact the availability of ERR products?

I'd like to remind everyone while some folks might know the answers to the questions asked here, it is my mission to get the answers from the "horse's mouth" so to speak.  Usually I send the list into the folks at Lionel and they decide who best to answer from their respective teams.  Please refrain from answering the questions in this thread.

Thanks

question, any chance that the legacy system could be updated to support more then 2 digits when assigning engine numbers train numbers could remain 2 digits?

Would really like to find out about what to do with more than 100 Legacy engines/sound cars.  Can I simply buy another Cab2 remote or is the only way forward to delete engines/sound cars from present remote?

Thanks!

In 2016, Lionel released the SensorCar to allow folks with fleets of TMCC engines and pre–IR sensor Legacy engines to use those engines with the SensorTrack.

Obviously, a lot of us still have many TMCC engines and pre–IR sensor Legacy engines that we would like to use with the SensorTrack--even more so now that the IRV2 will make the SensorTrack more feasible to implement and to deploy more widely.

• Will Lionel consider releasing additional SensorCars (perhaps in a selection of road names that will look right at home with some of the different roads that folks like to run)?

And/Or

• Will Lionel (perhaps through the Electric Railroad Company) consider offering sensor kits that folks can add to their existing rolling stock? That seems like it would be a relatively simple installation. Or add to an engine? (Or would installing an IR sensor in an engine be overly complicated or prone to causing more problems than it's worth?)

• Finally, the most important question: what does the "V" in "IRV2" stand for? Version? Dave Olson's middle initial?

Cheers!

Keith

Keith L makes some good points about what we want to know about the sensor track.I would like a good over view of what it is and how to do it. (example: I had purchased a sensor track only to find out I had to order a power supply to use it.) I would like to know about the use of the sensor track from the basics to the advanced uses in the language a moron can understand. 

Dave Olsen will address the new IRV2 setup as none of us have seen it.  I will go over the basics of the original sensor track along with some advanced features best I can.  Since I will not have room for the demo board this spring much of it will be slides unfortunately.

I'd like an update on Android support in the LCS environment.  Will Lionel release a complimenting app to iCab?

Will the new modular sensor be able to work with curved tracks?  I made a suggestion how to do this some months ago when the catalog came out and I hope Lionel saw it.

Just a reminder that April 6th is the hard cutoff for questions.  Make sure you have them in before then.  I won't have any leeway on any questions asked after that to get them to Lionel because of commitments at work. Usually I can get a few after the cutoff but this year I cannot.

Will we soon be able to set user options on the SensorTrack using the cab2 remote?

Thanks,

Blake

Blake Morris posted:

Will we soon be able to set user options on the SensorTrack using the cab2 remote?

Thanks,

Blake

I assume you mean without physically pushing the PGM button?  As of now it can do that but is cumbersome because of the need to push the PGM button on the track.  Just looking for clarification of the question.

MartyE posted:

Blake Morris posted:

Will we soon be able to set user options on the SensorTrack using the cab2 remote?

Thanks,

Blake

I assume you mean without physically pushing the PGM button?  As of now it can do that but is cumbersome because of the need to push the PGM button on the track.  Just looking for clarification of the question.

That’s correct Marty!   I currently use the hirail app for this task however, it would be nice to do the same with the cab2.  

Thanks,

Blake

Question:

Any plans for a Legacy base with a PDI Connection (LCS)

I'll be there to help keep the attendance up.

Q. Would it be possible to allow the speed dial to be functional while the user in the Trainlink screen operating a linked piece of rolling stock?  It would be cool to be able to accelerate/decelerate while giving commands to rolling stock.

Q. Would it be possible to create a generic Freight TYPE for the Info menu.  This would be helpful for those of us that install ERR boards in hot box reefer cars or signal man cars.  At present those are defined as STM in my Legacy base identifying as FRT causes loss of functionality.  It is silly detail, I admit.  

Q. On a relatively frequent and annoying basis my BPC2s "forget" their programming and have to be re-programmed.  Why and how do I prevent this?

Good questions everyone. 

Will ERR upgrade boards ever have legacy quilling whistle/horn and 200 speed steps on them? 

Trainlover9943 posted:

Will ERR upgrade boards ever have legacy quilling whistle/horn and 200 speed steps on them? 

And  IR Transmitter that works with LCS SensorTrack

And Bluetooth

I asked about this last year, and I think the answer was yes.

Q. Will you create a Legacy Power Master Icon for LCS so that I can turn track power off/on with my iPad?   If so, any timeline for its availability?  Will there be a newer version of the LCS software?

thanks

Hi Marty— I would like to better understand all the benefits and wiring of the new  Custom Switch Machine (CSM-2)  module coming out this summer for the Z-Stuff 2500 switch machine.

Thanks,

Carl J