What scale are "RMT/Ready Made Trains" cars and engines?

Some of RMT's stuff is scale, but most is closer to 1/50th to 1/65th scale.

The Peeps or Beefs are no where near scale but are nice looking smaller engines that will run on 027 track and switches.

RMT has very good quality but their products are smaller than most other companies.

I have an RMT Buddy RDC that has run great for over eight years.

Lee F.

The ore cars appear to be scale size.

As Walter always says   They are scale but shorter

Scale on RMT will vary frdepending on the item.  Most of their stuff is "traditional" sized from old Kusan, K-line or Marx tooling.

As is typical with traditional sized trains, scale can even vary on lenght/width/height, so an exact sccale can't be nailed down.

The MP-15, N5C caboose and probably the previously mentioned ore cars are pretty close to if not 1/4" scale.

Rusty

Clack...Received your email at 9:36am this morning. Answered by RMT at 9:44am. I am awaiting your reply.

Thanks.

Walter M. Matuch/RMT

www.readymadetoys.com

Indeed they are, John.  I have quite a few of the RMT ore cars, and they hold their own and then some when compared to Lionel and MTH offerings.  When it comes to ore cars, I've found no discernible difference -- especially when running trains -- even between MTH Premier and MTH Railking ore cars.  They all blend well together.

David

philyreading...Calling RMT products 1/50 or 1/65 scale is a bit confusing and not a truly correct description. While items like BEEF A-A + B are shorter in length, they are otherwise 0 scale as they are created tooling used on Kline E-8 diesel bodyshell.

Check out this video for a true visual comparison...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...ed&v=74nJpWLfFrk

The classic BEEP is indeed shorter.

RMT uses former Kusan, Marx, Kline and other toolings that are all traditional 0-27 gauge and 0 gauge sizes. As RMT re-introduces an item, we try to upgrade whenever possible.

Over the years, the terms gauge and scale may have become confused as they are used to denote sometimes the same thing.

RMT traditional 0-27 cars and locomotives (BANG/BUDDY) are indeed smaller that true SCALE O gauge items but this size difference between 0-27 and 0 has been with us for a long time.

As true prototype RR cars and locomotives differ between say various boxcars in height-length-width, so too do toy trains that we collect and operate.

Regardless of size, scale and gauge...RMT's customers share the one same characteristic...RMT trains are fun!

Thanks.

Walter M. Matuch/RMT

www.readymadetoys.com

At $10/ea, I couldn't resist picking up a bunch of the ore cars.

Yes...quick reply. Thanks again, I did see the length in the description. I must have looked a some other car or engine couldn't find the size.

So thanks again. Think I'll get a few cars

Actually, if the Beeps and/or Beefs had existed as real-world prototypes, you would find that they scale out pretty darn well.  Place an RMT Beef unit (for example) alongside an O scale F-unit from one of the other manufacturers, and you would find that in terms of height, width, and everything except length, they match up pretty well.

The BEEP body has been in and around the toy train industry for around 50 years, I understand.  I have a Kusan loco from the '50s that has an identical plastic casting although a very cheap chassis compared to a modern BEEP: the body will literally slip on and off a modern BEEP interchangably.  I have been told this modeling was subsequently used in Marx locos but have never seen one.

So I don't know if the BEEP was initially meant to be model of the loco shown below.   Regardless, it is a longer-but-otherwise-scale model, not perfect but uncannily like, the smallest Brookville locomotive.  The photo below is of an older BLO6 but it lloks nearly identical to the newer DES-70B - both old and new have 600 HP engines and are about a scale four feet shorter than a BEEP.  I don't know when Brookville started making this particular loco, but they have been in business continuously making locomotitves since WWI.

Walter, any interest in doing a BL06 on the beef or beep chassis?  It looks very cool - I would say do a variety of fantasy road names.  I would buy 3 or 4.   Opportunities for good lighting features, and cool exhaust on top would make a neat model.

Thanks for the connection Lee!

Walter,

I am not saying that your product is lacking in being O scale, just have a little bit differant sizes than most other companies make.

You make a lot of stuff that most companies in O gauge will not even touch, like beer hopper cars.

Yes I have taken a look at what the real railroads run, they have differant sized hopper cars on one train, and I guess I was being a little critical in my first statement about scale sizes.

Is RMT going to make something for 'Reading & Northern' in a diesel engine? Like an RS-2, MP-15, or a GP-7. That is something that I would like to see made in O gauge.

Lee Fritz

Phillyreading,

Most companies make a "traditional" size product and other variations, so RMT is really not different from Lionel or MTH in that respect.  I think that the RMT tank cars are scale, and their ore cars, and most everything else "traditional" (meaning compressed in one or more dimensions).  As you say, RMT makes some unique and innovative products that don't show up anywhere else, like the beefs, beeps, bangs.

Imaginative scale! RMT makes the best 027 center cupola caboose on the planet!

And now that you have so many ore cars, when can we expect to see a fully functioning model of an O-scale ore dock on your layout???    Or perhaps on the North Penn O-Gauge layout!!! 

David

Conveniently, Harry has a mine track, so I'll horn in on that one for now.

Again, a thing is either scale-sized, or it is not. "Scale but shorter" - hopefully a 

tongue-in-cheek remark - is meaningless. A sub-scale (too small) item may have nice

detailing, but it is not scale. "Scale" is precise mathematical relationship between the

"prototype" and the model. 

But then, all US "O-scale" items are not truly scale, as we all know that in 1:48 the

gauge of "O" track is 5 feet - which is wrong. 4'8.5" is "Standard Gauge" in most

of the world. (Not Standard Gauge, as in 400E...) The 1:43.5 O-scale in Britain and

elsewhere is correct for the gauge. 

But we all know this, don't we?

I'll second Bobby Ogage concerning the RMT caboose.  It's my favorite little 0-27 caboose. The only change I would like to see made are different end handrails.  Other than that, it's real nice.

I have 7 Beeps and 3 Bangs.  These make not only good industrial locomotives but affordable short line power.  Excellent for small layouts. 

I had read on the Thor site that O27 is actually 1:64 scale but with O scale trucks to run on O scale track.  Is this accurate?  I am a novice and not really concerned with scale at the moment.  I am gathering up items to build a 4x8 O27 layout that will focus primarily on tinplate structures and preWar/postWar steam locomotives.  It can get confusing because many of the tinplate structures I see online are actually Standard guage which is way too big.  for what I want. 

The RMT Peeps kind of fit right in to my plan of action as they will run on O27 track and have that preWar toy feel without the stripping and repainting.

Scott

No, most O-27 and traditional locos are no scale at all - one traditional loco might be 1/55, another 1/52, etc.  Also, many are not the same "scale" in every dimension - a loco might be, say 1/48th of the width, but 1/50th of the height, and perhaps 1/58th of the length of the loco it is supposed to reprsent.  Scale really doesn't enter into it that much - the designers just made locos and rolling stock the size they thought was best at the time. 

Most are bigger than 1/64 - though.  Look at some S gauge sometimes, it is 1/64, and for the most part just a bit smaller than all but the smallest traditional.

Here is an example in the photo below:  These are "models" of the same locomotive, basically:

 Left, Lionel, traditional size (ATSF Annissary set from 2000).  R

 Right: MTH, scale (PS1 era Premier)

Both the A and the B units in each set are nearly identical in length it is perspective that makes the B units look longer.

The Lionel A units are 12.5 inches long (sans couplers)-  the MTH are 12.625

the Lionel A units are 3 3/8 high versus than the MTH (3 17/16)

In width - I can meausre not difference.

If you assume the MTH is a 1:48 scale model, then the Lionel is 1:48.5 in length, 1:52 in height and 1:48 in width. 

The Lionel F3  is an example of a "traditional" loco that is so close to scale that I have no problem running it on my "scale" layout.  Many traditional steamers are much more compressed, maybe 1:53, 1:60, and 1:50 in length, height, width.  Generally, my expedrience is that height is always compressed most, and length much more than width 

Somewhere on here I have a pic posted of the passenger cars ( not scale but cool) next to the Lionel Polar Express ones.  The stuff looks great.  Can't wait to move my other new RMT stuff from "collectible mint in box" to operational later this weekend.

https://ogrforum.com/d...14#12834039601080014