What is the correct type of Coal cars to run behind a Class A? I currently run 4 Bay MTH Premiers and I would like to see if 2 Bays are acceptable...
(This is for the Lionmaster Class A just released from Lionel)
Thanks
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Class A's were built in the 1940's and ran until 1959 so any hopper that saw service during those years would be fine. 2 bays would be fine. 4 bays maybe but not those built in the 1960 up for sure. Just check years of service for any hopper you are considering.
I believe, for Class A prototypical operation, there were very few 4-bay hoppers in its days. You would be safer running 2-bay hoppers. Let the experts comment further.
Two bay hoppers would be correct for Class A and Y-6B,Lionel,Atlas and MTH make nice ones.
Mikey
Two bay is a solid choice.
N&W had unique asymmetrical ends on their hoppers....
Unfortunately none of the mass producers of 3-rail made any prototypically correct 2-bay H9 and/or HL hoppers. I am only aware of Yoder making them in brass at as I recall $300.00 a pop!
Now MTH has made 2-bay hoppers that are reasonably close. MTH marker them as HL's. Roanoke between 1949 and 1952 rebuilt the approximate 12,200 surviving hoppers into the H9 class.
Here is a snap of one of these MTH hoppers.
If you look for these keep in mind that MTH made them as pictured and also with the "hamburger" herald. BUT the hamburger herald did not come into use until 1964, long after the steam fires had been dumped.
Ron
Check the N&W Historical Society for info. Here's a link to the archive.
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/
Jan
The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
bluelinec4 posted:The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
Now the H21's were actually Pennsy hoppers leased from the Pennsy!
PRRronbh posted:bluelinec4 posted:The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
Now the H21's were actually Pennsy hoppers leased from the Pennsy!
Yes they were. And they would be right at home behind a class a. Virginian had a number of them too. Atlas also did them in that scheme
Thanks you everyone, When I ran 4 Bay hopper cars it looked it little weird. I saw a video on YouTube with the real one pulling 100 cars in 87. It looked like 3 bays??? Thanks I will start the search for 2 bays (Railroad won't matter)
I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Probably right.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
Helper locomotive on the point is a Y6b, while the road locomotive is a Class A. The pusher on the rear end is another Y class. Also note ALL the 2-bay N&W loaded hoppers.
RickO posted:Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
Nope, that's a Y6b on the head end.
Thanks Hotwater and Jim, I could make out the cab number on the second loco, wasn't sure about the first. Also noted the "point" and "road" terminology.
RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion servic
"87" like 1987, so where did all the operating steam engines come from in 1987??????????!
PRRronbh posted:RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion servic
"87" like 1987, so where did all the operating steam engines come from in 1987??????????!
I'm not sure what you mean, but that "1987" video does not show proper/older "steam era" hoppers for the N&W.
87 was the year(1987), sorry
You might want to consider a couple early 20th century GLa coal hoppers. Some ran into the early '60's. Lionel made them a couple years ago.
A lot depends on just what era you are trying to model/duplicate. Regular service steam era would be pretty much all 2-bay N&W type hoppers (which I don't believe have been correctly produced in 3-Rail O Scale, to date), or the 1987 "excursion" era operations with #1218, which is the ONLY Class A remaining.
RickO posted:PRRronbh posted:RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion servic
"87" like 1987, so where did all the operating steam engines come from in 1987??????????!
I'm not sure what you mean, but that "1987" video does not show proper/older "steam era" hoppers for the N&W.
The point is so simple. This cannot be a 1987 video/film. The only N&W articulated in 1987 was the one and only Class A 1218. The two auto in the video appear t be 53/54 Fords/Mercs.
And the hoppers appear to be H9's very appropriate for thwe50's.
Atlas made a good HL 2 bay that would work. Also, there were many, many 3 bays in service on the N&W during the steam era. I'm not aware of any 3 bays that were correctly modelled in 3 rail.
Below is a link to classes and numbers and years of service for N&W engines and rolling stock, including hoppers in the steam era that have been imported in 0 scale, many are 2 rail. If you scroll down past the engines, passenger cars, freight cars, etc. you'll get to the hoppers. Most have photos included of either the prototype or of a model.
PRRronbh posted:The point is so simple. This cannot be a 1987 video/film. The only N&W articulated in 1987 was the one and only Class A 1218. The two auto in the video appear t be 53/54 Fords/Mercs.
And the hoppers appear to be H9's very appropriate for thwe50's.
I'm not sure which video your referring to Ron. I was under the impression the OP was talking about this 1987 video of 1218. At 1:40 you can see an assortment of late 70's early 80's vehicles:
RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
This is the post you posted about 8-hours ago that I am referring to!
I see the confusion in the way you worded the post. You are referring to the 87 video but then including the older video.
RickO posted:PRRronbh posted:The point is so simple. This cannot be a 1987 video/film. The only N&W articulated in 1987 was the one and only Class A 1218. The two auto in the video appear t be 53/54 Fords/Mercs.
And the hoppers appear to be H9's very appropriate for thwe50's.
I'm not sure which video your referring to Ron. I was under the impression the OP was talking about this 1987 video of 1218. At 1:40 you can see an assortment of late 70's early 80's vehicles:
Now in this video there are some "hamburger" herald logo's which obviously are NOT steam era.
Hot Water posted:RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Probably right.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
Helper locomotive on the point is a Y6b, while the road locomotive is a Class A. The pusher on the rear end is another Y class. Also note ALL the 2-bay N&W loaded hoppers.
Yes, the head loco is a Y6b. The easiest way to tell is that it has the feed-water heater recessed in the smokebox. The Y6's and Y6a's had BL type feed-water heaters on the left balanced by air pumps on the right. Or, if you have a list, you can look up the engine numbers! 
Which is what I did and the rear pusher (2163) is a Y6a.
