Which Lionel Vision Hudson?

All the Lionel Hudson's I have are black or gray, save for the red CV.  I ordered the Pacemaker.  Something different.

I preordered the Pacemaker. Just couldn't pass up that paint scheme. Always looking for something a little "different"!

Mike

No idea…….I have to sit down and go through the Ryan/Dave video and figure out what makes each unique and then decide. The catalog info is meager (maybe, it will be more detailed in the Vol I catalog, but I’m not counting on that).

Peter

@Putnam Division posted:

No idea…….I have to sit down and go through the Ryan/Dave video and figure out what makes each unique and then decide. The catalog info is meager (maybe, it will be more detailed in the Vol I catalog, but I’m not counting on that).

Peter

Peter, I know that they are definitely going to have some sort of passenger consist going with any one of them(maybe two), that is Ryan sort of was saying that something would be coming along in V1 for it(or them). I know I am picking the B&A by Mr. Muffin's because I have their Berkshire and the cars that go with that. Good way to alternate motive power between the cars. Not sure what other one(s) I'll pick up though.

I'm REALLY hoping any matching passenger cars planned are new tooling or something of the like to match the updated Hudson. Much like the original 700E, Lionel's heavyweight tooling they've been using since 1996 is showing its age and is in need of a serious update. At the very least, to be a bit more specific to the New York Central counterparts. Maybe NYC parlor cars or VISION cafe sound car? I dunno. Just spit-balling here.

I'm very tempted to order two of these instead of one. 5344 is a definite YES, but all are pretty attractive in their own right.

5344 and 6620.    

Ryan has a new video out describing some of the differences in the engines.

I’ll definitely get the 5344. I am tempted to get a second one but between GG1s on order and hoping to get other offerings of the 125th, I may only have the budget for one. 😅

@Alabama Joe posted:

5344 and 6620.    

Ryan has a new video out describing some of the differences in the engines.

Thank you......that's what I need.

Peter

Thank you , again, Joe......this video is invaluable

I guess it will be either 5344 or 5403 for me......

Peter

@Putnam Division posted:

Thank you , again, Joe......this video is invaluable

I guess it will be either 5344 or 5403 for me......

Peter

Yeah Peter, I watched that during my lunch. I actually turned of the music(in my car) so I could hear what Ryan had to say. I do agree that it would be good to see some sort of related New York Central passenger cars that are more in time with what the engines are supposed to be. I have a bunch of MTH Madison's as well as older Lionel with silhouettes that may need some upgrading at some point in time. Until then, I will wait and see what comes out.

I too, would not have ordered one without the cars coming.  My email was to Dave and he STRONGLY suggested you watch for the 2025 catalog.  Looks like we all will now have our cars, but at 18" or at 21" which they have never done in heavyweights - or both.  And as you know, per the current Lionel marketing, they will be in numerous paint schemes.

And yes, my order went in.

Lionel’s 18” heavyweights are nice cars except for bad trucks on the 2012 issues. Earlier ones are fine. I think MTH Heavyweights with interiors and figures are a step above as are K-Lines in particular the Tuscan cars. Pretty sure just about every possible paint scheme has been done for NYC cars and just about all are appropriate for these engines both heavyweight and streamline.

Pete

I sort of wonder if it is going to be some sort of mixed consist of passenger cars like they did behind the J3 a few years back? I would probably hop in for passenger cars, just one set though.

I'm going to order 5344.

@Putnam Division posted:

Thank you......that's what I need.

Peter

Obsessive Train guys need to watch out for each other.    lol

@Johnsgg1 posted:

All the Lionel Hudson's I have are black or gray, save for the red CV.  I ordered the Pacemaker.  Something different.

@Norton ….Pete, I think we’ve been beat!

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

@Norton ….Pete, I think we’ve been beat!

Pat

Ae could buy all of Lionel’s and still not be close! 🥸

Pete

Hey, I think there is only 23 Hudson's I see. Granted I am not in the league of you all, but hey, Hudson's a plenty(coming out of the tunnel you know).

I finally had time to watch the video from Trainworld with Lionel about the Hudson.

They mentioned towards the end that they are also planning a custom run Hudson but aren't ready to announce it yet.

All they said about it was that it will be unique.

Maybe it will be military themed.  that tends to be the type of custom runs they do.

Either way of what they intend to have the custom be, they have plenty of time since cutoff is January. I haven't even been to my local train store yet, but that is okay. He's at York and I know will probably miss seeing me there.

I do know I like his opinion on things from time to time, and it will be interesting to see what he says about it. See if that helps me figure out which other two, 😆.

I'm almost surprised they didn't have a plasma blue edition like with the Berks. Which I'm glad they don't because I'm not sure I'd been able to resist that.

I skimmed through the video but didn't catch any mention of a re-designed boiler such that it would be semi-rounded in at least a couple areas. My buck stops there. Even the famous 700e Hudson of 1937 had a semi-rounded boiler on the underside.

@Paul Kallus posted:

I skimmed through the video but didn't catch any mention of a re-designed boiler such that it would be semi-rounded in at least a couple areas. My buck stops there. Even the famous 700e Hudson of 1937 had a semi-rounded boiler on the underside.

At 40:40 in the trainworld video he says we have a rounded boiler when showing CAD images,  but also states that was on previous model

@Paul Kallus posted:

I skimmed through the video but didn't catch any mention of a re-designed boiler such that it would be semi-rounded in at least a couple areas. My buck stops there. Even the famous 700e Hudson of 1937 had a semi-rounded boiler on the underside.

A lot of questions remain. In the same video it was mentioned some tenders will have water scoops and some not. Also two styles of headlights will be offered. A “new” headlight and one that has been used in the past. The problem is those details are not listed in the description for each engine.

Pete

@Paul Kallus posted:

I skimmed through the video but didn't catch any mention of a re-designed boiler such that it would be semi-rounded in at least a couple areas. My buck stops there. Even the famous 700e Hudson of 1937 had a semi-rounded boiler on the underside.

Paul, the early 700E’s really don’t have much at all of a rounded or even a semi rounded boiler. They’re U shaped like the majority of die cast models. Only a very slim section of a 700E boiler is rounded, ..and that’s ahead of the saddle, in the smoke box area. Kline’s scale Hudson has a section fully rounded ahead of the saddle, in the smoke box area as well,…..you can’t have a fully rounded or even semi rounded boiler with all the electronics and smoke units they cram in these machines,…….Only brass locomotives have the most “rounding” ….clear back almost to the cab, with just a slit for any gear box shaft, etc,…..Lionel’s later run Legacy J3a Hudson shares the same idea of a small section ahead of the saddle that’s rounded ….just like the Kline ….you’re not going to get a rounded boiler or even semi rounded, ….I don’t hardly call   any of those die cast models rounded or even semi rounded, ……..The ploy that this is semi rounded is a far reach IMO, and more than likely follows suit of the Kline & the latest Legacy J3a,….

Pat

@Norton posted:

A lot of questions remain. In the same video it was mentioned some tenders will have water scoops and some not. Also two styles of headlights will be offered. A “new” headlight and one that has been used in the past. The problem is those details are not listed in the description for each engine.

Pete

Check the video again, I believe Rayn used road numbers when giving details, that should help line up which models get what. I think 5320 has the different headlight to go along with no marker lights since it is supposed to represent a later version of the engine. I know for certain only the PT tenders get the water scoop effect. Also, the 5344 is the one not on the main page that has the simpler whistle vs the new more detailed one.

I do agree though, Lionel could spend more time giving details per engine in these catalogs.

I think I'm getting 5344 since that road number has such a history.

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

Check the video again, I believe Rayn used road numbers when giving details, that should help line up which models get what. I think 5320 has the different headlight to go along with no marker lights since it is supposed to represent a later version of the engine. I know for certain only the PT tenders get the water scoop effect. Also, the 5344 is the one not on the main page that has the simpler whistle vs the new more detailed one.

I do agree though, Lionel could spend more time giving details per engine in these catalogs.

I think I'm getting 5344 since that road number has such a history.

Art, all the tenders used on Lines East had water scoops from the get go, 5200 on up. Ironically the Big Four had no water pans so their tenders did not have water scoops. 5401 ran primarily on the Big Four.

Lionel should provide the scoops for all the tenders and allow for easy removal so buyers could decide themselves.

Pete

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

Check the video again, I believe Rayn used road numbers when giving details, that should help line up which models get what. I think 5320 has the different headlight to go along with no marker lights since it is supposed to represent a later version of the engine. I know for certain only the PT tenders get the water scoop effect. Also, the 5344 is the one not on the main page that has the simpler whistle vs the new more detailed one.

I do agree though, Lionel could spend more time giving details per engine in these catalogs.

I think I'm getting 5344 since that road number has such a history.

Pete beat me to it, ….if you knew for fact, then you’d know 5401 was a west ender, so no water scoop,…..if Lionel’s trying to strive for accuracy & detail, ( given the price point ) then this ain’t it….

Pat

@Norton posted:

Art, all the tenders used on Lines East had water scoops from the get go, 5200 on up. Ironically the Big Four had no water pans so their tenders did not have water scoops. 5401 ran primarily on the Big Four.

Lionel should provide the scoops for all the tenders and allow for easy removal so buyers could decide themselves.

Pete

Excellent info I didn't know, but just to be clear Lionel did say the smaller tenders would have the water scoop where appropriate. It is the water scoop smoke effect, that requires a extra smoke unit, that will only exist in the PT tender.

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

Excellent info I didn't know, but just to be clear Lionel did say the smaller tenders would have the water scoop where appropriate. It is the water scoop smoke effect, that requires a extra smoke unit, that will only exist in the PT tender.

Pretty sure only the PT tenders have room for both the overflow effect and the speaker and sound board.

Pete

I'm not sure if I was misinterpreting something from the Trainworld video. But did Ryan hint that other Hudson variations would be available when the full catalog comes out in January?

Think I’m going to order the 5401 - now I’m heading to York 👍🏼🚂 - see you there

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Yeah Peter, I watched that during my lunch. I actually turned of the music(in my car) so I could hear what Ryan had to say. I do agree that it would be good to see some sort of related New York Central passenger cars that are more in time with what the engines are supposed to be. I have a bunch of MTH Madison's as well as older Lionel with silhouettes that may need some upgrading at some point in time. Until then, I will wait and see what comes out.

I will say this video was extremely well done.  A huge step up for Lionel from past ones.  Loved the production of it and all the History they went through explaining everything (for us Hudson non experts).  Would love to see more like these when they release future engines.  Great job on this presentation.

This one took a while but the Hudson Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo. Hopefully some day I can see the real one in Scranton.   

@RamblerDon posted:

I'm not sure if I was misinterpreting something from the Trainworld video. But did Ryan hint that other Hudson variations would be available when the full catalog comes out in January?

Yes there is probably more or the same ones in the  c1 catalog,  ryan said as of now there is no order deadline for them

@tom21pa posted:

Yes there is probably more or the same ones in the  c1 catalog,  ryan said as of now there is no order deadline for them

I'd like to order one as my 1st scale engine but I'd like to have all my options known before I pull the trigger on one.

I'd also hate to miss out on the good pricing right now.

Ugh (lol)

@Lionel1666 posted:

This one took a while but the Hudson Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo. Hopefully some day I can see the real one in Scranton.   

I haven't been to Steamtown since 2019(2018 to the museum proper) and would like to see what all has been going on in my absence. Just haven't had time to plan things. I'll have to see what my oldest niece is up to as we went with her and her family on both occasions.

@harmonyards & @Norton

Ah, see, I knew you two would help me figure out which one to take out of consideration. #5401 is tossed to the wayside. I knew something was off with that big ole tender there, even though I think Ryan did post a later running years picture. I think the top two in the catalog are what I'll order, I think it is #5403 and #5320(minus class lights). If I did get that right, it'd be a miracle. I don't like the outlines on the tender representing later years, reminds me of the Pennsylvania Railroad in that regard which I don't much like it on theirs either. So, my choice is made. All other future Hudson's will probably be going through Pat's shops at Harmon Yards.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I haven't been to Steamtown since 2019(2018 to the museum proper) and would like to see what all has been going on in my absence. Just haven't had time to plan things. I'll have to see what my oldest niece is up to as we went with her and her family on both occasions.

@harmonyards & @Norton

Ah, see, I knew you two would help me figure out which one to take out of consideration. #5401 is tossed to the wayside. I knew something was off with that big ole tender there, even though I think Ryan did post a later running years picture. I think the top two in the catalog are what I'll order, I think it is #5403 and #5320(minus class lights). If I did get that right, it'd be a miracle. I don't like the outlines on the tender representing later years, reminds me of the Pennsylvania Railroad in that regard which I don't much like it on theirs either. So, my choice is made. All other future Hudson's will probably be going through Pat's shops at Harmon Yards.

5315 is the only offering from Lionel in NYC lettering that has stripes. ( that I seen )  The stripes are correct for an as delivered locomotive fresh from the builder’s photograph, then delivered by Alco Schenectady to the Central. BUT, 5315 had a bad history. That was the Hudson involved in the fatal wreck at Little Falls in 1940. A lot of lives were lost in that accident along with the engineer, & fireman, ….there was a road foreman in the cab as well, miraculously, he survived…..it’s also the only Hudson not salvageable from a wreck, …..

Pat