Did you try with just the Legacy base connected directly to the track without the TMCC base in the picture? Did you remove the wire from the TMCC base that connects to the track and ONLY connect the signal wire from the Legacy base to the outside rail?
Those are a couple of the common issues that bite people when installing Legacy.
Did you try with just the Legacy base connected directly to the track without the TMCC base in the picture? Did you remove the wire from the TMCC base that connects to the track and ONLY connect the signal wire from the Legacy base to the outside rail?
Those are a couple of the common issues that bite people when installing Legacy.
From what he said, he moved the wire to the outer rail from the TMCC base and moved it to the Legacy base.
Another thing to ask, are you turning on the command bases BEFORE you turn on the track power? Trains taking off seem to tell me that your signal isn't getting to the track.
Did you try with just the Legacy base connected directly to the track without the TMCC base in the picture? Did you remove the wire from the TMCC base that connects to the track and ONLY connect the signal wire from the Legacy base to the outside rail?
Those are a couple of the common issues that bite people when installing Legacy.
From what he said, he moved the wire to the outer rail from the TMCC base and moved it to the Legacy base.
Another thing to ask, are you turning on the command bases BEFORE you turn on the track power? Trains taking off seem to tell me that your signal isn't getting to the track.
John, I didn't try the Legacy base alone. Do the cab-1's work without the TMCC base? I have 7 cab-1's that will be needed for future operating sessions. The only cab-2 is the one that came with the set. The main reason I bought the Legacy base was a single engine. I have a Milwaukee road S-3, which has never been out of the box. Hence the serious lack of rush.
Jake, I tried that too, and I agree that no command signal is the issue.
I do want to get to the bottom of this, it just isn't on the top of my to do list. In addition to isolating those yard tracks, I also want to do some high voltage rewiring to separate the command power from the track power. Right now they are on the same switch which works fine with the TMCC base.
The reason I'm somewhat confused is this should be a piece of cake to do. 
I did it once, just to see if it worked, I just cabled the TMCC base to the Legacy base, and moved the wire over to the Legacy from the TMCC base signal output. Job done, and both the Legacy and CAB1 could control engines, etc.
I currently have the Legacy connected to the MTH TIU so I can run TMCC engines through the DCS remotes as well as the Legacy remotes.
MTH only runs TMCC locomotives if you have a TMCC or Legacy base. In addition, the MTH system is as closed as Legacy as far as communicating with it. The only system that's somewhat of an open standard is the pre-Legacy TMCC system. All the serial commands are actually documented and readily available. Show me the same information for MTH stuff.
It's not about who's sytem is closed or not, it's about having a standard operating system of sorts like DCC and all the advantages that it would bring. I use the MTH example (which luckily could use the Lionel system) to illustrate that it acts very much like a standard system as long as you have the Command Base--->one remote controls all the various manufacturer's engines. One remote operates Lionel, Atlas, 3rd Rail, K-Line, Weaver, and MTH. What a variety!
The point is, without a standard, how many control systems are you willing to buy? Do you plan to upgrade all your engines everytime the next guy comes up with a better control system? When will it stop? I like the new technology that comes out every year, but, that can be added to a standard control system as long as you leave room to expand.
Like MTH again, you could download from a computer the latest control system software or engine sounds direct to your engines. I like being able to pick different engine sounds and whistle tones for free from MTH. If I hear a particular steam engine sound I like, I can download it to any MTH DCS equipped steam engine I may have.
Very odd. I have two power strips, one connected to the other, connected to a heavy duty extension cord. Everything is plugged into the two strips.
Five transformers (Modern ZW w/2 bricks, Postwar ZW, CW-80, Z, seperate 180W brick connected to a Comand Lockon), Legacy base, TMCC Command base, all power up at one time by turning on the rocker switch on one of the power strips.
Works every time, all the time. All the layout lights, accessories, track blocks, switches, command bases. That's it.
Everything gets turned off by the same rocker switch.
It ain't pretty, but it's safe and it works.
That's what I thought too, kind of a plug n play situation. Of course everything in my world is more complicated than in the normal world. 
Remember back to August and topic of "Locos driving me loco"? It took Mike Reagan to figure that one out.
When I'm ready to dig into this, I'll post it on my layout construction topic.
It's not about who's sytem is closed or not, it's about having a standard operating system of sorts like DCC and all the advantages that it would bring. I use the MTH example (which luckily could use the Lionel system) to illustrate that it acts very much like a standard system as long as you have the Command Base--->one remote controls all the various manufacturer's engines. One remote operates Lionel, Atlas, 3rd Rail, K-Line, Weaver, and MTH. What a variety!
The point is, without a standard, how many control systems are you willing to buy? Do you plan to upgrade all your engines everytime the next guy comes up with a better control system? When will it stop? I like the new technology that comes out every year, but, that can be added to a standard control system as long as you leave room to expand.
Like MTH again, you could download from a computer the latest control system software or engine sounds direct to your engines. I like being able to pick different engine sounds and whistle tones for free from MTH. If I hear a particular steam engine sound I like, I can download it to any MTH DCS equipped steam engine I may have.
The only reason the TMCC base works with the DCS is because Lionel allowed it to. For all intensive purposes here MTH is the one not playing nice in the park, if that wasn't the case folks would be able to operate DCS with a TMCC remote. DCS is not DCC. If DCS sets the standard then why do you need a TMCC base for your Atlas,3rd Rail, K Line and Weaver locos. Why don't they come equipped with DCS?
Some folks want the "right" sounds to go with their locomotive not chuff A or chuff B with the same bell and background sounds and a choice of whistle.Yes you can download whatever you want, but the quality of sound demonstrates why the changes are free.
I have had MTH locos where you could hear the whistle interrupt the chuff like it could only play "track" at a time
It has been interesting TAS and Digital Dynamics supplied some pretty good kit/instructions to do upgrades from conventional/or even early electronics to TMCC, and eventually EOB/which was TMCC with speed control.
ERR has upgrades still available to TMCC.
I don't think there are upgrades to Legecy, at least not yet.
As I said it was interesting. You could purchase a relatively good model, inexpensive, and add/or have TAS add, some really decent electronics. One of the really cool upgrades, I know it's not prototypical, was the reversing marker light done with bi-directional LED's.
What got done. All have sound, most have electro-couplers, and some lighting detail.
Pennsy GE 44 tonner, Rich Yoder. A Small ERR conversion kit with electro-couplers.
(2) Atlas Dash 8 40 BW's Had TMCC, SAW Gen2 boards, both were upgraded to EOB
(2) Weaver Union Pacific Alco C630 TMCC SAW board upgrade with marker lights and electro-couplers. Eventually I did a second C630.
Weaver Pennsy H10 was an EOB upgrade done by TAS with Electro-coupler.
Weaver Pennsy L1s Was done with a TMCC SAW upgrade, and then again to EOB with electro-coupler, the original TMCC SAW upgrade was tweeked and installed in the second C630.
Weaver Pennsy G5 was done with one of Ed Bender's Digital Dynamic kits, Electro-coupler.
Weaver Pennsy A5 was also done with a Digital Dynamics kit. Most difficult fit with couplers front and back.
Weaver Pennsy M1a Mountain was done with an EOB kit by TAS with electro-coupler.
Weaver Pennsy C1 0-8-0 EOB with electro-couplers front and back. Required a motor change out from Frank Timko.
Weaver Pennsy U25B EOB kit with marker lights and electro-couplers .
Weaver Pennsy E8's pair. Both units got EOB upgrades with marker lights and electro-couplers. Also required a motor change out from Frank Timko.
As I said it's been interesting. I have a Third Rail E6 and I10 I would like to upgrade to EOB. I have used EOB mother boards and the appropriate Lionel R2LC boards, Sound power and Sound boards, but need a source for the optical sensor parts. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Do I need Legacy? Probably not in the near future.
Best wishes,
Mike CT.
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